Microsoft’s real problem

I almost wrote a very long blog post telling Microsoft how it could get back into the search business. In response to all this stuff in the Wall Street Journal and on TechMeme about how Steve Ballmer is telling employees that he thinks he can guide Microsoft into the advertising business without buying Yahoo.

I got about halfway through that long post and I just deleted it. Why? Because they don’t care to listen. So why am I wasting my time talking at 1:30 a.m. to a few billionaires and a bunch of arrogant coders who think they built something of value when, in fact, they’ve just built second-rate Web sites (Windows Live Spaces anyone, sorry, it sucks even if there are 100 million of them) who don’t have a clue about how to get back into the search game and who are never going to have a clue?

I’m bored. Microsoft buying Yahoo is just going to be very boring for users for a long time. Why? Even if things go perfectly it’ll take six to 12 months to get approval by EU and DOJ. And they won’t go perfectly. Even after the deal is done it’ll be another six to 12 months before these two cultures get together in any significant way. So, that’s a year to two before we even see anything non-boring.

I find that Google listens a lot more than Yahoo or Microsoft does. Google has left billions of dollars on the table that it will go after over the next year, if they are as smart as I think they are.

Where are those billions? Well, let’s just look at one tiny little sliver of Google’s system that it’s left alone. Google Travel. That page sucks. Think about how you decide to take a trip. Does that page help? Not really. No video. No cool people telling you about interesting places. No personality. No branding. No interesting Web services.

And the big brand travel sites aren’t any better. Now, what about parenting? Other activities?

This is why Facebook is so interesting as a business. Facebook has some inherent advantages to creating market need that no one else is even attempting to do. Ask Jeff Pulver how he gets hundreds of people to show up to his breakfasts all over the world. He just opens up a Facebook page and writes what he’s doing.

Or, ask any winery how much of an impact this small little video show is having on their business. The red carpet rolled out on our little wine tasting trip told me everything I needed to know about its impact.

Funny, Microsoft just bought Farecast, which is one piece of what I’m thinking about, but will Microsoft do anything innovative with it? I think it’s distracted with this purchase. Too distracted to do anything soon enough to keep the newbies like Mahalo and the Googlers’ from figuring it out.

I just don’t see Microsoft and Yahoo making any serious moves into search or advertising that comes off of search, do you? Yet I see that Google is weak in other areas (and I told them such when I met with them the other day — they listened, and that listening behavior told me they know that they are going to see more growth in non-search areas if they execute well). It stuns me why Ballmer isn’t going after those areas (as bad as Google’s Travel page is, Microsoft’s is worse) instead of spending billions trying to buy Yahoo, who clearly doesn’t want to be purchased (Farecast, again, was an interesting purchase, but only if put inside a bigger strategy).

Unfortunately Ballmer is hamstrung by two things: 1. the returns that they need to see to have any real effect on the bottom line are so huge that it causes Ballmer to have blindness to small things and 2. they really don’t have that many people working there who really grok the Internet. Think about that for a second. If you really knew how to build a scalable web site, wouldn’t you be joining Facebook or FriendFeed right now instead of toiling inside Microsoft where they can’t even seem to execute on a purchase of Yahoo very well? Heck, just reading Mini Microsoft tells you that things aren’t being seen well from inside the walls. Yeah, there are those inside Microsoft who are happy with the way things are going, but I’m hearing more and more screams lately from inside the walls. I hope to learn more when I go to Seattle June 10-13 to visit Microsoft and learn more about the Internet strategy (which is becoming more interesting on several fronts like what Scott Guthrie, tools, Ray Ozzie, Mesh and infrastructure, and Dean Hachamovitch, IE, teams are doing).

I don’t see the Yahoo acquisition ending well for Microsoft but I’m losing my will to care anymore and I’m not the only one. THAT is Microsoft’s real problem.

Google: take the money off the table — build great niche search sites around topics like travel, wine, parenting, housing, automobiles, etc. You have a year to do it before Microsoft can even START to figure out where you’re weak.

Too bad that Ballmer didn’t have a vision for the Internet. Imagine if Microsoft started doing some really great niche sites with its $40+billions? Imagine that…

  • James Murphy

    Getting a bit bored with the video obsession – not just you, everyone – I really need to write this up at length…

  • James Murphy

    Getting a bit bored with the video obsession – not just you, everyone – I really need to write this up at length…

  • http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ Jamiet

    Robert,
    I can’t help feeling you’re missing the point slightly. Microsoft core business isn’t in building vertical applications. They build platforms so that OTHER people can build vertical applications. They’re trying to get into the vertical-application-on-the-web-game by buying Yahoo. THAT is Ballmer’s vision.

    Now I’m not saying they’re doing a good job of building that platform or that its the right strategy (I wish I knew the anser to that one), but let’s be clear about what their strategy is, rightly or wrongly.

    -Jamie

  • http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com Jamiet

    Robert,
    I can’t help feeling you’re missing the point slightly. Microsoft core business isn’t in building vertical applications. They build platforms so that OTHER people can build vertical applications. They’re trying to get into the vertical-application-on-the-web-game by buying Yahoo. THAT is Ballmer’s vision.

    Now I’m not saying they’re doing a good job of building that platform or that its the right strategy (I wish I knew the anser to that one), but let’s be clear about what their strategy is, rightly or wrongly.

    -Jamie

  • http://stuart.amanzi.co.nz/ stuart

    I actually find Yahoo quite interesting too – they seem to have lots of niche sites under the belts already and they always seem to be releasing small, exciting projects, like that Buzz site, or their video streaming site. Microsoft just haven’t done anything exciting recently, unless you count all their *big* stuff which they talk about but we won’t see for years…

  • http://stuart.amanzi.co.nz stuart

    I actually find Yahoo quite interesting too – they seem to have lots of niche sites under the belts already and they always seem to be releasing small, exciting projects, like that Buzz site, or their video streaming site. Microsoft just haven’t done anything exciting recently, unless you count all their *big* stuff which they talk about but we won’t see for years…

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    James: I hear that, but go do a random Google search. Do you see video there? No. I’d bet there’s video on only one out of 300 searches, if that high.

    So, until there’s a video on EVERY search, there’s a lot more opportunity for video to see huge growth than there is for anything else.

    Also, if I’m going to convince you to try something new, what works better? Video or text?

    Let’s talk about travel around the world. What will convince you to visit, say, Switzerland? 10,000 words? Or five minutes of video.

    I know which one works better. Video. By far.

    So, expect to hear more about video in this new search world ahead.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    James: I hear that, but go do a random Google search. Do you see video there? No. I’d bet there’s video on only one out of 300 searches, if that high.

    So, until there’s a video on EVERY search, there’s a lot more opportunity for video to see huge growth than there is for anything else.

    Also, if I’m going to convince you to try something new, what works better? Video or text?

    Let’s talk about travel around the world. What will convince you to visit, say, Switzerland? 10,000 words? Or five minutes of video.

    I know which one works better. Video. By far.

    So, expect to hear more about video in this new search world ahead.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Stuart: I will admit that Yahoo has a much nicer Travel site: http://travel.yahoo.com/ than Google or Microsoft does. Maybe this is why Microsoft wants Yahoo so badly.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Stuart: I will admit that Yahoo has a much nicer Travel site: http://travel.yahoo.com/ than Google or Microsoft does. Maybe this is why Microsoft wants Yahoo so badly.

  • http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/ Jamiet

    Am I barred or something? I posted a comment here about 10mins ago and it isn’t showing up. Not for the first time.

    Have I upset you or something Robert? :)

  • http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com Jamiet

    Am I barred or something? I posted a comment here about 10mins ago and it isn’t showing up. Not for the first time.

    Have I upset you or something Robert? :)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Someone just told me to check out MiniMicrosoft. I haven’t been there in months, maybe even a year or more. But damn, the natives are certainly restless about this deal: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Someone just told me to check out MiniMicrosoft. I haven’t been there in months, maybe even a year or more. But damn, the natives are certainly restless about this deal: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/

  • Olav

    Why do you think you have the right answers to every Microsoft problem? You should be one of those billionaires then.

  • Olav

    Why do you think you have the right answers to every Microsoft problem? You should be one of those billionaires then.

  • http://www.wolfslittlestore.be/ Wolf

    You fail to see that building a good website doesn’t take a lot of money, just splendid idea and execution. You can’t buy everything with cold hard cash.

  • http://www.wolfslittlestore.be Wolf

    You fail to see that building a good website doesn’t take a lot of money, just splendid idea and execution. You can’t buy everything with cold hard cash.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Olav: I’m working on it. Heheh.

    Seriously, though, the billionaires at Microsoft got there by selling Windows or Office.

    What does THAT have to do with building a great Web property and putting advertising on it?

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Olav: I’m working on it. Heheh.

    Seriously, though, the billionaires at Microsoft got there by selling Windows or Office.

    What does THAT have to do with building a great Web property and putting advertising on it?

  • http://www.sutherlandclan.org.uk/ Johnny Sutherland

    I don’t know how to contact you – but I think Google.com has been hacked. The home page has only greek text on it. I am in Germany. Sorry for posting something here that is no relevant.

  • http://www.sutherlandclan.org.uk Johnny Sutherland

    I don’t know how to contact you – but I think Google.com has been hacked. The home page has only greek text on it. I am in Germany. Sorry for posting something here that is no relevant.

  • http://www.sutherlandclan.org.uk/ Johnny Sutherland

    In fact, all services on the google.com url are not available. The google.de is functioning as normal.

  • http://www.sutherlandclan.org.uk Johnny Sutherland

    In fact, all services on the google.com url are not available. The google.de is functioning as normal.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Johnny: weird, here Google.com is working fine.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Johnny: weird, here Google.com is working fine.

  • http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/ Jack @ The Tech Teapot

    Microsoft writing niche websites…oh come on… Microsoft are a mega multi-billion dollar corporation why would they be interested in the peanuts they can earn from niches? A better home for their billions might be Facebook that they already have shares in?

  • http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/ Jack @ The Tech Teapot

    Microsoft writing niche websites…oh come on… Microsoft are a mega multi-billion dollar corporation why would they be interested in the peanuts they can earn from niches? A better home for their billions might be Facebook that they already have shares in?

  • http://hauntingthunder.wordpress.com/ Maurice

    well what ms needs to do is buy yahoo dump msn search and but the best techies into improving yahoos se and add system

    Not nice fo rthos working in the bits of Ms that are duplicated in yahoo but hey that capatisiam for you :-)

    But google realy should try and not atract the regulators attention WTF are they thinking with that yahoo idea where is the adult supervison.

    Its a bit like walking around downtown bagdad with a tshirt saying hi ime stupid please shoot me”

  • http://hauntingthunder.wordpress.com/ Maurice

    well what ms needs to do is buy yahoo dump msn search and but the best techies into improving yahoos se and add system

    Not nice fo rthos working in the bits of Ms that are duplicated in yahoo but hey that capatisiam for you :-)

    But google realy should try and not atract the regulators attention WTF are they thinking with that yahoo idea where is the adult supervison.

    Its a bit like walking around downtown bagdad with a tshirt saying hi ime stupid please shoot me”

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jack: you think travel is just peanuts? Yeah, right. So why did Microsoft buy Farecast if it’s just “peanuts?”

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jack: you think travel is just peanuts? Yeah, right. So why did Microsoft buy Farecast if it’s just “peanuts?”

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net Yuvi Panda

    As someone who likes MS tools a “lot” (I use them day in and day out), I just wish, secretly, that someone like ScottGu takes the lead. Where’s the slicehost for Windows? The twitter that’s built on .NET? Microsoft needs to do a lot for these, than dumping money into Live.

    The cool stuff that’s come out of Live so far have been small things – Photo Gallery, Writer are the two that I can name, because I just can’t think of myself using anything more too seriously.

    Just wish they went out and bought Automattic, Twitter, FriendFeed, and something that can stand up to flickr before it’s too late. I still hate ‘em for passing up on flickr (Their API is full of bugs :( )

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net/ Yuvi

    As someone who likes MS tools a “lot” (I use them day in and day out), I just wish, secretly, that someone like ScottGu takes the lead. Where’s the slicehost for Windows? The twitter that’s built on .NET? Microsoft needs to do a lot for these, than dumping money into Live.

    The cool stuff that’s come out of Live so far have been small things – Photo Gallery, Writer are the two that I can name, because I just can’t think of myself using anything more too seriously.

    Just wish they went out and bought Automattic, Twitter, FriendFeed, and something that can stand up to flickr before it’s too late. I still hate ‘em for passing up on flickr (Their API is full of bugs :( )

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net Yuvi Panda

    Also, note that the contents of the above note have a pretty low probability of happening.

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net/ Yuvi

    Also, note that the contents of the above note have a pretty low probability of happening.

  • Zonk

    James: Agree 100% This is the first Scoble article I’ve paid attention to in months. Why? The video sucks. Most of the time it doesn’t play back properly. The motion makes me want to puke. The audio is obnoxious with bursts of volume. Getting close to moving Robert into a “read if you have time” rss folder.

    That said, here’s my take on M$:

    They will never get over the Evil Empire stigma. They can’t innovate. They should keep their core business to the fat apps and rather than acquire lots of little companies, they should have controlling shares in a lot of little companies. Let the new companies establish their own brands and keep the money flowing to the mothership.

    M$ owns a piece of FB … they should increase it, but not the point that FB looks like it’s a M$ company. Likewise with the 400 other interesting internet companies out there.

    Lever owns Dove Soap *and* Axe Spray … two totally different company messages but all the money flows back to the mothership without appearing evil.

  • Zonk

    James: Agree 100% This is the first Scoble article I’ve paid attention to in months. Why? The video sucks. Most of the time it doesn’t play back properly. The motion makes me want to puke. The audio is obnoxious with bursts of volume. Getting close to moving Robert into a “read if you have time” rss folder.

    That said, here’s my take on M$:

    They will never get over the Evil Empire stigma. They can’t innovate. They should keep their core business to the fat apps and rather than acquire lots of little companies, they should have controlling shares in a lot of little companies. Let the new companies establish their own brands and keep the money flowing to the mothership.

    M$ owns a piece of FB … they should increase it, but not the point that FB looks like it’s a M$ company. Likewise with the 400 other interesting internet companies out there.

    Lever owns Dove Soap *and* Axe Spray … two totally different company messages but all the money flows back to the mothership without appearing evil.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Yuvi: they’ll never do what you suggest. These things are too small for Microsoft to ever understand or get. That’s why they are interesting to you and me, but not to Microsoft.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Yuvi: they’ll never do what you suggest. These things are too small for Microsoft to ever understand or get. That’s why they are interesting to you and me, but not to Microsoft.

  • Cains

    I expect Google to build niche sites similar to Google Finance (underappreciated site). This is where Google really ‘gets it’, when Google goes into a niche it drives traffic to your site as a platform to help users find your content. With Yahoo & MS you’re still in a walled garden.

    Google builds platforms, not portals.

  • Cains

    I expect Google to build niche sites similar to Google Finance (underappreciated site). This is where Google really ‘gets it’, when Google goes into a niche it drives traffic to your site as a platform to help users find your content. With Yahoo & MS you’re still in a walled garden.

    Google builds platforms, not portals.

  • http://quirkyalone.blogspot.com/ quirkyalone

    If I would be Ballmer, I’d propably just pour more millions into Search, since that’s where the ads money will be. MSFT inability to compete with G is a huge disadvantage in the fight of online ads dollars.

  • http://quirkyalone.blogspot.com quirkyalone

    If I would be Ballmer, I’d propably just pour more millions into Search, since that’s where the ads money will be. MSFT inability to compete with G is a huge disadvantage in the fight of online ads dollars.

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net Yuvi Panda

    Scoble, but who *is* Microsoft then? Ballmer? Ray?

  • http://blog.yuvisense.net/ Yuvi

    Scoble, but who *is* Microsoft then? Ballmer? Ray?

  • http://www.brettatkin.com/ Brett Atkin

    I think their real problem is that they can’t do anything simple. I meet with a group of web developers about once a month just to exchange ideas and catch up on technology. I’m the only PC guy. There is always some talk about some new cool little app that meets a simple need. I get all excited until I see that it is Mac only. Damn. I want a freak’n Mac just so I can try out these things. Same goes for web sites. Simple always wins me over – probably why I like the apps from 37 Signals.

    I’ve been using Word (I’d give anything to try Pages – based on what I hear the Mac guys say) more lately to improve my proposals. I can’t get through a document without Word deciding to change the indent and style of my bullets or ordered lists on a consistenly random basis :-) .

    Their programs aren’t easy to us and their web apps aren’t easy to use. They can’t do anything simple. Get the simple things to work correctly and then add featues/complexity.

    What does it say about MS (or Yahoo or Google or…) that 3-4 guys/girls sitting in their dorm room or basement can design some of the most successful and popular web apps out there (Facebook, Digg, Flickr, Twitter)? Apparently money and PhD’s aren’t everything.

    Everyone in MS needs to learn how to K.I.S.S. Until they do, they are going to continue to build boring apps (online and off) that just don’t work well.

  • http://www.brettatkin.com Brett Atkin

    I think their real problem is that they can’t do anything simple. I meet with a group of web developers about once a month just to exchange ideas and catch up on technology. I’m the only PC guy. There is always some talk about some new cool little app that meets a simple need. I get all excited until I see that it is Mac only. Damn. I want a freak’n Mac just so I can try out these things. Same goes for web sites. Simple always wins me over – probably why I like the apps from 37 Signals.

    I’ve been using Word (I’d give anything to try Pages – based on what I hear the Mac guys say) more lately to improve my proposals. I can’t get through a document without Word deciding to change the indent and style of my bullets or ordered lists on a consistenly random basis :-) .

    Their programs aren’t easy to us and their web apps aren’t easy to use. They can’t do anything simple. Get the simple things to work correctly and then add featues/complexity.

    What does it say about MS (or Yahoo or Google or…) that 3-4 guys/girls sitting in their dorm room or basement can design some of the most successful and popular web apps out there (Facebook, Digg, Flickr, Twitter)? Apparently money and PhD’s aren’t everything.

    Everyone in MS needs to learn how to K.I.S.S. Until they do, they are going to continue to build boring apps (online and off) that just don’t work well.

  • http://www.odysen.com/ Matt

    Microsoft is where cool internet ideas go to die. It’s a culture issue, Microsoft is just too big to care about any individual internet idea, everything is just seen as features or marketshare to integrate into the borg. If they do end up acquiring Yahoo, if anything, it will be a boon for startups offering competing services, ie Flickr, Yahoo finance, Yahoo mail…

  • http://www.odysen.com Matt

    Microsoft is where cool internet ideas go to die. It’s a culture issue, Microsoft is just too big to care about any individual internet idea, everything is just seen as features or marketshare to integrate into the borg. If they do end up acquiring Yahoo, if anything, it will be a boon for startups offering competing services, ie Flickr, Yahoo finance, Yahoo mail…