Microsoft: We ain’t gonna tell you about Windows 7

What a hoot. CNET interviewed Steven Sinofsky (the guy who runs the Windows 7 teams at Microsoft) and asked him dozens of different ways about what will be in the next version of Windows. Sinofsky answers with thousands of words that say nothing useful. The comments on the article are pretty funny, too. The comments from bloggers on TechMeme are pretty funny, too.

Can someone wake me up when it’s shipping? Thanks.

In the meantime, I have a Dell Tablet PC here, a Lenovo thin laptop, and a Macintosh.

The Macintosh consistently comes out of sleep within three seconds. The other ones? Well, no.

So, why should we care about Windows 7 again? And how long are we going to have to wait for it? Based on Steven’s answers: at least another year.

It makes me really sad. The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features. Yet it keeps making me wonder what would happen if that machine could run OSX cause then it wouldn’t do weird things upon lifting its lid up (like turning off Wifi).

Can someone wake me up in 2010? Thanks.

Oh, and to CNET: thanks for trying, but Steven isn’t a guy who’ll go off message, as you found out. Your article was a service, though, because I won’t even bother visiting the Windows team on my trip to Redmond/Seattle on June 10th. Thanks!

80 thoughts on “Microsoft: We ain’t gonna tell you about Windows 7

  1. Well, I am biased toward lightweight machines. I have a Mac Book Pro 17-inch that I rarely use anymore. Why? Too big to travel with. Battery doesn’t last very long. For my needs the Lenovo is a much better machine than anything Apple makes. Hardware wise.

  2. I ain’t no dummy,
    “The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features.”

    It would be nice if he tightened up his writing.
    Macbook air = any macintosh????

  3. I ain’t no dummy,
    “The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features.”

    It would be nice if he tightened up his writing.
    Macbook air = any macintosh????

  4. JoeM, sleep times definitely vary between machines. My Toshiba M700 now boots from sleep to login screen in about 2 seconds when on battery. There’s probably a 4 to 5 second delay after signing in before I can actually doing anything, but not bad. My 8-core Mac Pro with 10GB memory and a fast drive wakes up in Vista almost instantaneously. It’s the way that I think most people would like to see things. We can dream, can’t we? :-)

  5. JoeM, sleep times definitely vary between machines. My Toshiba M700 now boots from sleep to login screen in about 2 seconds when on battery. There’s probably a 4 to 5 second delay after signing in before I can actually doing anything, but not bad. My 8-core Mac Pro with 10GB memory and a fast drive wakes up in Vista almost instantaneously. It’s the way that I think most people would like to see things. We can dream, can’t we? :-)

  6. Stiv, the MacBook Pros (and even MacPros on the desktop side) are all very good machines. However, you ought to check out one of the thin laptops like the Lenovo X300 or even the X61. If you move about a lot, compare the battery life of the machines. And if you go on more than one day business trips, what about the total carry wieght? Now if you’re sitting in one place, plugged in most of the time, which is the case for many, then by all means the MacBook Pro is a great choice. I’ve recommended it to many.

  7. Stiv, the MacBook Pros (and even MacPros on the desktop side) are all very good machines. However, you ought to check out one of the thin laptops like the Lenovo X300 or even the X61. If you move about a lot, compare the battery life of the machines. And if you go on more than one day business trips, what about the total carry wieght? Now if you’re sitting in one place, plugged in most of the time, which is the case for many, then by all means the MacBook Pro is a great choice. I’ve recommended it to many.

  8. I have been settings up a lot of HP machines. Both desktops and Laptops resume in between 3-4 seconds. Not sure what your problem is.

  9. I have been settings up a lot of HP machines. Both desktops and Laptops resume in between 3-4 seconds. Not sure what your problem is.

  10. “The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware
    design and features.”

    Hmm, computerworld, not exactly a mac fan site, just had a glowing review of the 17″ macbook pro.

  11. “The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware
    design and features.”

    Hmm, computerworld, not exactly a mac fan site, just had a glowing review of the 17″ macbook pro.

  12. Oh boy!! A Mac vs Windows debate..boy, what a surprise. Can we please move past this debate? It’s like comparing a square tip screw driver to a phillips screwdriver – arguing about which one is better doesn’t change the fact that on of them works with 99% of every screw on the planet.

  13. Oh boy!! A Mac vs Windows debate..boy, what a surprise. Can we please move past this debate? It’s like comparing a square tip screw driver to a phillips screwdriver – arguing about which one is better doesn’t change the fact that on of them works with 99% of every screw on the planet.

  14. > “The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware
    > design and features.”

    I am not familiar with the Lenovo hardware. What about them make them “far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features”? are they lighter? do they have better components (video, disk drive, memory, etc), are they less breakable? Are they substantially different from the thinkpads of yore or is this saying that the thinkpads were also “far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features”? Not trying to cause a fanboy argument. Just curious what your reasons are on this.

  15. > “The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware
    > design and features.”

    I am not familiar with the Lenovo hardware. What about them make them “far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features”? are they lighter? do they have better components (video, disk drive, memory, etc), are they less breakable? Are they substantially different from the thinkpads of yore or is this saying that the thinkpads were also “far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features”? Not trying to cause a fanboy argument. Just curious what your reasons are on this.

  16. I don’t think that WINDOWS 7 is going to be all that great. They have already took a stab at changing the core with vista. So no more changing major windows code.

    It’s just going to be a huge patch, bundled in a pretty shiny package, like vista. But there’s a twist, this patch can get them some cash.

  17. I don’t think that WINDOWS 7 is going to be all that great. They have already took a stab at changing the core with vista. So no more changing major windows code.

    It’s just going to be a huge patch, bundled in a pretty shiny package, like vista. But there’s a twist, this patch can get them some cash.

  18. MS Office 2007 is a pretty damn good product — so while you may disagree with his communication approach he actually delivers really good products and delivers them on schedule.

  19. MS Office 2007 is a pretty damn good product — so while you may disagree with his communication approach he actually delivers really good products and delivers them on schedule.

  20. Sinofsky is simply employing the same paranoid tactics from when he ran Office. He was always of the opinion that if he talked about features coming out, OpenOffice would have them tomorrow. Given the OSX comparisons to Vista when Vista was being shown pre-release, he’s likely experiencing the same paranoia.

  21. Sinofsky is simply employing the same paranoid tactics from when he ran Office. He was always of the opinion that if he talked about features coming out, OpenOffice would have them tomorrow. Given the OSX comparisons to Vista when Vista was being shown pre-release, he’s likely experiencing the same paranoia.

  22. Windows bashing is fun isn’t it?

    Yet people ALWAYS forget the fact that Windows (XP on solid ground, Vista getting better everyday) runs on ninety five percent (95%) of all PCs out there in the whole wide world.

    That means that it has the largest bullseye of all OS’s ever made for people with less than honorable intentions. I contend if you Linux-Heads and MacHeads get your heads out of your asses and actually consider the numbers Microsoft is dealing with, you would have to admit that M$ doing a good job at managing the thousands of head aches that are related to having that size of the market share.

    By no means am I a M$ lover as they have some dumb things over the years, but give credit where credit is due.

    Jobs understands the head aches of a truely “Open Platform.” That’s why he’s so insistant on keeping the Apple ecosystem in a very tightly controlled environment.

  23. Windows bashing is fun isn’t it?

    Yet people ALWAYS forget the fact that Windows (XP on solid ground, Vista getting better everyday) runs on ninety five percent (95%) of all PCs out there in the whole wide world.

    That means that it has the largest bullseye of all OS’s ever made for people with less than honorable intentions. I contend if you Linux-Heads and MacHeads get your heads out of your asses and actually consider the numbers Microsoft is dealing with, you would have to admit that M$ doing a good job at managing the thousands of head aches that are related to having that size of the market share.

    By no means am I a M$ lover as they have some dumb things over the years, but give credit where credit is due.

    Jobs understands the head aches of a truely “Open Platform.” That’s why he’s so insistant on keeping the Apple ecosystem in a very tightly controlled environment.

  24. If the Lenovo could run OSX then it would have the same issues – because it’s the drivers causing the problems. My Sony Vaio is working fine on Vista, after a few driver updates.

  25. If the Lenovo could run OSX then it would have the same issues – because it’s the drivers causing the problems. My Sony Vaio is working fine on Vista, after a few driver updates.

  26. I went to sleep halfway through the article. I have just started using Vista alot lately and the biggest problem to me is that the UI is full of little pieces of eyecandy that are hard to distinguish and click on from a laptop screen.

    The Vista OS may be good but trying to click on a 2 x 2 pixel drop down arrow is not a lot of fun for most users.

    Maybe Sinofsky should be looking at UI design yet again instead of wasting time trying to say nothing in an interview.

  27. I went to sleep halfway through the article. I have just started using Vista alot lately and the biggest problem to me is that the UI is full of little pieces of eyecandy that are hard to distinguish and click on from a laptop screen.

    The Vista OS may be good but trying to click on a 2 x 2 pixel drop down arrow is not a lot of fun for most users.

    Maybe Sinofsky should be looking at UI design yet again instead of wasting time trying to say nothing in an interview.

  28. I really think this is the way to go for them. For me if a company talks about the next “big” version of something just after they have launched the new product it makes me think that what they currently offer is not good enough.

  29. I really think this is the way to go for them. For me if a company talks about the next “big” version of something just after they have launched the new product it makes me think that what they currently offer is not good enough.

  30. “what would happen if that machine could run OSX”
    OSX would have the market that Windows has; people always forget that, Windows runs on whatever crap or new stuff you throw at it, Mac doesn’t, Mac is hardware specific so they can do all the optimizations they want

  31. “what would happen if that machine could run OSX”
    OSX would have the market that Windows has; people always forget that, Windows runs on whatever crap or new stuff you throw at it, Mac doesn’t, Mac is hardware specific so they can do all the optimizations they want

  32. Even with Linux this trend is true. My trusty thinkpad X31 has almsot completely lost usable suspend / hibernate / docking features using the new Ubuntu 8.04. They used to work with the old ubuntu.

    It makes me very sad indeed.

  33. Even with Linux this trend is true. My trusty thinkpad X31 has almsot completely lost usable suspend / hibernate / docking features using the new Ubuntu 8.04. They used to work with the old ubuntu.

    It makes me very sad indeed.

  34. Agree. I have a G4 from 1999 with MacOS 10.2 booting in 2 minutes compared to my Toshiba Tablet with Windows XP taking 2 minutes from standby, 5 minutes from off, and 30 minutes from hibernate. Sorry, I am not willing to reinstall from scratch every 3 months. That would help, Microsoft Helpdesk told me … http://www.felgner.ch/2008/01/windows_7.html

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