Microsoft: We ain’t gonna tell you about Windows 7

What a hoot. CNET interviewed Steven Sinofsky (the guy who runs the Windows 7 teams at Microsoft) and asked him dozens of different ways about what will be in the next version of Windows. Sinofsky answers with thousands of words that say nothing useful. The comments on the article are pretty funny, too. The comments from bloggers on TechMeme are pretty funny, too.

Can someone wake me up when it’s shipping? Thanks.

In the meantime, I have a Dell Tablet PC here, a Lenovo thin laptop, and a Macintosh.

The Macintosh consistently comes out of sleep within three seconds. The other ones? Well, no.

So, why should we care about Windows 7 again? And how long are we going to have to wait for it? Based on Steven’s answers: at least another year.

It makes me really sad. The Lenovo machine is far far better than any Macintosh in terms of hardware design and features. Yet it keeps making me wonder what would happen if that machine could run OSX cause then it wouldn’t do weird things upon lifting its lid up (like turning off Wifi).

Can someone wake me up in 2010? Thanks.

Oh, and to CNET: thanks for trying, but Steven isn’t a guy who’ll go off message, as you found out. Your article was a service, though, because I won’t even bother visiting the Windows team on my trip to Redmond/Seattle on June 10th. Thanks!

80 thoughts on “Microsoft: We ain’t gonna tell you about Windows 7

  1. “El-Hassan Wanas Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 9:33 am
    I don’t think that WINDOWS 7 is going to be all that great. They have already took a stab at changing the core with vista. So no more changing major windows code.”

    I don’t think MS changed the core at all. They built vista on top of Windows Serve 2003. Big right up about it almost 3 years ago in the WSJ. added some drm and
    other things but no new core.

  2. “El-Hassan Wanas Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 9:33 am
    I don’t think that WINDOWS 7 is going to be all that great. They have already took a stab at changing the core with vista. So no more changing major windows code.”

    I don’t think MS changed the core at all. They built vista on top of Windows Serve 2003. Big right up about it almost 3 years ago in the WSJ. added some drm and
    other things but no new core.

  3. Two things:

    1) by 2010 Apple will have further improved OSX… so I am not sure how Windows will catch up… unless Apple really screws it up. Which btw is something they have done in the past… anyone remember when Jobs got sacked?

    2) Apple proofs that tight control and integration of both software and hardware mixed with a good sense of what works and what doesn’t will result in great products. They won’t do everything for everyone but what they do they do well (most of the time):

    I have started to use a Mac with the release of Leopard… I would consider myself a power user and have been a Windows guy since way back… (Win 3.1). The thing is, with Windows I always ended up overcomplicating my thought process. One thing that has really struck me with Mac OSX is that a lot of the complex thinking isn’t required because the machine won’t let me get into the situation in first place.

    It’s difficult to explain. It’s almost as if the software designer had thought of the problem before me and actually did everything to shield me from it. Or perhaps they simply designed everything so the problem wouldn’t appear in first place. Don’t get me wrong I still use Windows in Parallels every day. Mainly as a necessity because all my clients have Windows. But I had never loved my Windows computers as much as I love my Mac now. It’s simply fun to use.

    FYI, I am sitting in an airport lounch at Frankfurt international airport while writing this. Behind me are a couple of Microsoft dudes who obviously love to brag about their Windows Car as they made sure their conversation about whether or not to send their windows car to a trade show in Moscow was loud enough so everyone could hear it… apparently “Steve is very keen to send something just to show it off… are we ready by August. Well, we’ll have something to show on a big screen with multi-touch. We don’t have a lot of applications but it will be impressive either way.” This is roughly the conversation…

    … see that’s the problem. Microsoft seems to always over promise and then under deliver. Windows Vista anyone?

  4. Two things:

    1) by 2010 Apple will have further improved OSX… so I am not sure how Windows will catch up… unless Apple really screws it up. Which btw is something they have done in the past… anyone remember when Jobs got sacked?

    2) Apple proofs that tight control and integration of both software and hardware mixed with a good sense of what works and what doesn’t will result in great products. They won’t do everything for everyone but what they do they do well (most of the time):

    I have started to use a Mac with the release of Leopard… I would consider myself a power user and have been a Windows guy since way back… (Win 3.1). The thing is, with Windows I always ended up overcomplicating my thought process. One thing that has really struck me with Mac OSX is that a lot of the complex thinking isn’t required because the machine won’t let me get into the situation in first place.

    It’s difficult to explain. It’s almost as if the software designer had thought of the problem before me and actually did everything to shield me from it. Or perhaps they simply designed everything so the problem wouldn’t appear in first place. Don’t get me wrong I still use Windows in Parallels every day. Mainly as a necessity because all my clients have Windows. But I had never loved my Windows computers as much as I love my Mac now. It’s simply fun to use.

    FYI, I am sitting in an airport lounch at Frankfurt international airport while writing this. Behind me are a couple of Microsoft dudes who obviously love to brag about their Windows Car as they made sure their conversation about whether or not to send their windows car to a trade show in Moscow was loud enough so everyone could hear it… apparently “Steve is very keen to send something just to show it off… are we ready by August. Well, we’ll have something to show on a big screen with multi-touch. We don’t have a lot of applications but it will be impressive either way.” This is roughly the conversation…

    … see that’s the problem. Microsoft seems to always over promise and then under deliver. Windows Vista anyone?

  5. My HP Notebook comes out of sleep in 3 seconds flat. Every Single Time. And it runs Vista Home Premium.

    If you are having problems with Vista or XP, I suggest that you wipe out your current _factory_ installation, do a fresh install of the OS and in case of Vista, let Windows Update install all the drivers for you. Your computer will then work as you expect it to.

    I hope Microsoft makes a huge effort towards getting the OEMs to not install all the crap that they bundle with new computers. That is ruining the experience for everyone.

  6. My HP Notebook comes out of sleep in 3 seconds flat. Every Single Time. And it runs Vista Home Premium.

    If you are having problems with Vista or XP, I suggest that you wipe out your current _factory_ installation, do a fresh install of the OS and in case of Vista, let Windows Update install all the drivers for you. Your computer will then work as you expect it to.

    I hope Microsoft makes a huge effort towards getting the OEMs to not install all the crap that they bundle with new computers. That is ruining the experience for everyone.

  7. Jim Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am
    Oh boy!! A Mac vs Windows debate..boy, what a surprise. Can we please move past this debate? It’s like comparing a square tip screw driver to a phillips screwdriver – arguing about which one is better doesn’t change the fact that on of them works with 99% of every screw on the planet.

    Are you kidding me, it’s human nature to fall into this kind of garbage, it’s ether the catholics Vs the Jews or the Muslims.

    Chevy vs Ford or Honda vs Toyota, totally worthless arguments that really only seem to find traction in the world of the Fan boy.

    It’s wonderful being an adolescent and fueling these subjects.

  8. Jim Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am
    Oh boy!! A Mac vs Windows debate..boy, what a surprise. Can we please move past this debate? It’s like comparing a square tip screw driver to a phillips screwdriver – arguing about which one is better doesn’t change the fact that on of them works with 99% of every screw on the planet.

    Are you kidding me, it’s human nature to fall into this kind of garbage, it’s ether the catholics Vs the Jews or the Muslims.

    Chevy vs Ford or Honda vs Toyota, totally worthless arguments that really only seem to find traction in the world of the Fan boy.

    It’s wonderful being an adolescent and fueling these subjects.

  9. Vista disappoints, Mac OS X was a let down, no three hundred new features just a point release and buggy as hell.

    We need Linux everywhere.

  10. Vista disappoints, Mac OS X was a let down, no three hundred new features just a point release and buggy as hell.

    We need Linux everywhere.

  11. My Dell Latitude D800 gone from Burj Al Arab to Cape and back via Building 21 at Cisco HQ in SJ. Its coming up to its 3rd birthday and been running XP.. It comes out of suspend fine and gets a really reboot maybe once a week or maybe 2 weeks.

    Iam running Coldfusion, lot of Cisco stuff and Office 12.

    It really comes down to drivers and hardware, would not blame windows… If the people in my company had laptops with that many problem the IT team would be in Sh*t for buying stuff that does not work.

    Dell Latitude D800 WORKS!!!* you can image 1000′s of them with no problem.

    * Does not inc Dell Tablet PC, they still new to that and still need a few years.

  12. My Dell Latitude D800 gone from Burj Al Arab to Cape and back via Building 21 at Cisco HQ in SJ. Its coming up to its 3rd birthday and been running XP.. It comes out of suspend fine and gets a really reboot maybe once a week or maybe 2 weeks.

    Iam running Coldfusion, lot of Cisco stuff and Office 12.

    It really comes down to drivers and hardware, would not blame windows… If the people in my company had laptops with that many problem the IT team would be in Sh*t for buying stuff that does not work.

    Dell Latitude D800 WORKS!!!* you can image 1000′s of them with no problem.

    * Does not inc Dell Tablet PC, they still new to that and still need a few years.

  13. Not talking about Windows 7 shows Microsoft has smartened up. Look what happened with Longhorn (Vista).

  14. Not talking about Windows 7 shows Microsoft has smartened up. Look what happened with Longhorn (Vista).

  15. Mark, you ought to check out the X300. You’d be surprised. It’s a shade lighter than the Air (fat is lighter than muscle after all :-) ), and yes, since it has an SSD as standard it’s base unit is more expensive. But then again upgrade the Air with an SSD drive and the costs are about the same. In terms of crippling, the X300 has a DVD plus more ports. So I don’t get that part.

  16. Mark, you ought to check out the X300. You’d be surprised. It’s a shade lighter than the Air (fat is lighter than muscle after all :-) ), and yes, since it has an SSD as standard it’s base unit is more expensive. But then again upgrade the Air with an SSD drive and the costs are about the same. In terms of crippling, the X300 has a DVD plus more ports. So I don’t get that part.

  17. I am thinking the sleep/standby hibernate issue is more dependent on the hardware manufacturer rather than Windows. Getting it to work right probably requires more tweaking of the hardware/power components than the board manufacturers want to do. For instance, I have a HP laptop running Vista that goes to sleep and wakes up everytime in a few seconds, so I would guess that HP got it right in this case.

  18. I am thinking the sleep/standby hibernate issue is more dependent on the hardware manufacturer rather than Windows. Getting it to work right probably requires more tweaking of the hardware/power components than the board manufacturers want to do. For instance, I have a HP laptop running Vista that goes to sleep and wakes up everytime in a few seconds, so I would guess that HP got it right in this case.

  19. The Lenovo X300 is fat and industrial ugly. More importantly, it’s half the CPU speed and costs $1500 more than a MacBook Air, $2000 more than a MacBook. Apple won’t sell you a machine as crippled as the X300, because it wouldn’t be of any use.

  20. The Lenovo X300 is fat and industrial ugly. More importantly, it’s half the CPU speed and costs $1500 more than a MacBook Air, $2000 more than a MacBook. Apple won’t sell you a machine as crippled as the X300, because it wouldn’t be of any use.

  21. Why do you (or CNET, for that matter) feel so entitled to know about something the company is not ready to release information on?

    And why does not releasing this information count as a bad thing? It’s their freakin’ prerogative!

    Also, to pile on the anecdotal evidence, my laptop resumes pretty quick (2-3 seconds). How does this anecdote weigh against yours? And does it change the way you feel about Vista? Didn’t think so.

  22. Why do you (or CNET, for that matter) feel so entitled to know about something the company is not ready to release information on?

    And why does not releasing this information count as a bad thing? It’s their freakin’ prerogative!

    Also, to pile on the anecdotal evidence, my laptop resumes pretty quick (2-3 seconds). How does this anecdote weigh against yours? And does it change the way you feel about Vista? Didn’t think so.

  23. Well, I am biased toward lightweight machines. I have a Mac Book Pro 17-inch that I rarely use anymore. Why? Too big to travel with. Battery doesn’t last very long. For my needs the Lenovo is a much better machine than anything Apple makes. Hardware wise.

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