Mike Arrington and Steve Gillmor don't use Firefox 3.0

Tonight I was at a party where Mike Arrington, Steve Gillmor, and me were talking to Brendan Eich, CTO of Mozilla Foundation. You know, the fine folks who make the Firefox browser. During the conversation they admitted they don’t yet use Firefox 3.0.

Me? That’s ALL I use and I love it. I can’t wait for it to launch. Brendan said they don’t know the exact time yet that they will launch but gave strong indications it would be sometime next week.

Interesting that Walt Mossberg DOES use Firefox 3.0 and gave it a ringing endorsement, one that I can definitely add onto. There’s no better browser out there. None. On my Mac I love it a lot more than Safari.

Comments

  1. Fx v3 is definitely an improvement over FX v2, but many of the annoyances present in v2 is still there. So I will still keep using Opera as my primary browser. But almost always Firefox is also open while I am browsing, as I require some of the features offered by its extensions.

  2. Fx v3 is definitely an improvement over FX v2, but many of the annoyances present in v2 is still there. So I will still keep using Opera as my primary browser. But almost always Firefox is also open while I am browsing, as I require some of the features offered by its extensions.

  3. We did some benchmarking between firefox 2.0 and firefox 3.0 on one of our applications which uses heavily Javascript, DHTML and timers and the results are very impressive: a much more fluid experience thanks to the timer/scheduling experience and an overall execution performance which is 3.5x faster. I am not exactly sure how they did it but the results are impressive.

  4. We did some benchmarking between firefox 2.0 and firefox 3.0 on one of our applications which uses heavily Javascript, DHTML and timers and the results are very impressive: a much more fluid experience thanks to the timer/scheduling experience and an overall execution performance which is 3.5x faster. I am not exactly sure how they did it but the results are impressive.

  5. I absolutely love everything about Firefox 3.0… except, a couple of the extensions I use repeatedly in 2.0 aren’t compatible yet.

    Ooooh how I hope they update them soon!

  6. I absolutely love everything about Firefox 3.0… except, a couple of the extensions I use repeatedly in 2.0 aren’t compatible yet.

    Ooooh how I hope they update them soon!

  7. Waiting for my key add-on, Zotero, to become compatible (supposed to happen with the launch of Firefox 3).

  8. Waiting for my key add-on, Zotero, to become compatible (supposed to happen with the launch of Firefox 3).

  9. I don’t understand why we have upgrade instantly: the better way alsway is waiting some weeks and months of test and debugging. But for me now FF2 is enough.

  10. I don’t understand why we have upgrade instantly: the better way alsway is waiting some weeks and months of test and debugging. But for me now FF2 is enough.

  11. FF3 on the Mac is fine, but not on my 64-bit Vista computer; it would only run 1 time, wouldn’t uninstall, and I was unable to reinstall FF2. After registry editing, I was finally able to install and run FF2. Thinking it was a fluke, I tried 2 other times and had the same issues.

    Until then, I’m staying with FF2, with working extensions, and Opera.

  12. FF3 on the Mac is fine, but not on my 64-bit Vista computer; it would only run 1 time, wouldn’t uninstall, and I was unable to reinstall FF2. After registry editing, I was finally able to install and run FF2. Thinking it was a fluke, I tried 2 other times and had the same issues.

    Until then, I’m staying with FF2, with working extensions, and Opera.

  13. I also am anxiously awaiting FF3 but you all bring up a good point. I now depend on the extensions I use to be upgraded too before I can upgrade. Looks like Better Gmail 2 0.5 supports it though!

  14. I also am anxiously awaiting FF3 but you all bring up a good point. I now depend on the extensions I use to be upgraded too before I can upgrade. Looks like Better Gmail 2 0.5 supports it though!

  15. During the early alphas of FF3, it’s not good for daily use (hence, Alpha). But at some point of its alpha stages (can’t remember which), it is ready for daily use.

    Since then I started using FF3 on every machine I use, from home, to notebook, to office. MS Win, GNU/Linux Ubuntu. FF3 solved many problems, and besides, I love testing products, especially bleeding-edge techs.

  16. During the early alphas of FF3, it’s not good for daily use (hence, Alpha). But at some point of its alpha stages (can’t remember which), it is ready for daily use.

    Since then I started using FF3 on every machine I use, from home, to notebook, to office. MS Win, GNU/Linux Ubuntu. FF3 solved many problems, and besides, I love testing products, especially bleeding-edge techs.

  17. two really ugly things in FF3

    - the address bar auto complete (HORRIBLE)
    - the way the handle certificate issues (so many clicks and dialogs, really bad)

  18. two really ugly things in FF3

    - the address bar auto complete (HORRIBLE)
    - the way the handle certificate issues (so many clicks and dialogs, really bad)

  19. Even with 5 million beta downloads, Opera 9.5 still wins me over FF3. But even still, I think 3 will be the breakout version, as even Average Joe computer users, know and love Firefox; it’s the one geeky app that has gotten mainstream crossover appeal.

    But IE? What’s that? Only ever use via Maxthon, per extreme circumstances, if some evil (but necessary) site doesn’t work in Opera/FF.

  20. Even with 5 million beta downloads, Opera 9.5 still wins me over FF3. But even still, I think 3 will be the breakout version, as even Average Joe computer users, know and love Firefox; it’s the one geeky app that has gotten mainstream crossover appeal.

    But IE? What’s that? Only ever use via Maxthon, per extreme circumstances, if some evil (but necessary) site doesn’t work in Opera/FF.

  21. Mike Arrington and Steve Gillmor haven’t upgraded to FF3 full time for the same reason as most other hardcore users — a large portion of the popular extensions still haven’t been updated.

    Most users don’t add extensions and FF will gain a great many new users when v3 goes gold, but at the moment, a lot of longtime power users like myself are feeling orphaned.

  22. Mike Arrington and Steve Gillmor haven’t upgraded to FF3 full time for the same reason as most other hardcore users — a large portion of the popular extensions still haven’t been updated.

    Most users don’t add extensions and FF will gain a great many new users when v3 goes gold, but at the moment, a lot of longtime power users like myself are feeling orphaned.

  23. I installed Firefox V3 RC2 and a DEV build of TabMixPlus and subsequently uninstalled Firefox V2.0.0.14.

    Only issue I have is that I had to go into IE and set Security Zone settings to make downloads work in Firefox V3 that worked fine in Firefox V2.

  24. I installed Firefox V3 RC2 and a DEV build of TabMixPlus and subsequently uninstalled Firefox V2.0.0.14.

    Only issue I have is that I had to go into IE and set Security Zone settings to make downloads work in Firefox V3 that worked fine in Firefox V2.

  25. Opera here.

    If the truth be known, Opera is a far superior browser in many ways.

    They all are good browsers, but I keep coming back to Opera. It’s just a great browser for power users. Opera has a bit of a learning curve to take advantage of all its power and options, but take a week or so, and you’ll see for yourself what makes Opera stand alone. It’s faster than FF for me on the same platform, faster than IE, better security than either FF or IE.

    More people need to give Opera a go. It’s a great piece of software that rarely disappoints me. I have never, ever had a crash in Opera like in FF or IE.

  26. Opera here.

    If the truth be known, Opera is a far superior browser in many ways.

    They all are good browsers, but I keep coming back to Opera. It’s just a great browser for power users. Opera has a bit of a learning curve to take advantage of all its power and options, but take a week or so, and you’ll see for yourself what makes Opera stand alone. It’s faster than FF for me on the same platform, faster than IE, better security than either FF or IE.

    More people need to give Opera a go. It’s a great piece of software that rarely disappoints me. I have never, ever had a crash in Opera like in FF or IE.

  27. I still use Safari on Leopard. Why? Much better integration with the system. Scrolling is much smoother, all form elements are native not faked to be so and therefore function properly, and for some reason FF3′s navigation bar is lighter colored than the bookmarks or title bar on my Mac making it look very odd.. seems I’m the only one with this issue but I can’t get it to go away.

    Plus, as a web developer I seem to find the recent Safari builds to have the best renderer, which is important, and they’ve added tools such as Drosera and an Inspector which seal the deal.

  28. I still use Safari on Leopard. Why? Much better integration with the system. Scrolling is much smoother, all form elements are native not faked to be so and therefore function properly, and for some reason FF3′s navigation bar is lighter colored than the bookmarks or title bar on my Mac making it look very odd.. seems I’m the only one with this issue but I can’t get it to go away.

    Plus, as a web developer I seem to find the recent Safari builds to have the best renderer, which is important, and they’ve added tools such as Drosera and an Inspector which seal the deal.

  29. FF3 on Mac is just great! Anyway, I’ve been waiting desperately for an update of the great del.icio.us Bookmark plug-in. If someone at Yahoo is reading this: please keep up the good work on that plug-in.

    Greetings from Berlin, Germany

    Peter

  30. FF3 on Mac is just great! Anyway, I’ve been waiting desperately for an update of the great del.icio.us Bookmark plug-in. If someone at Yahoo is reading this: please keep up the good work on that plug-in.

    Greetings from Berlin, Germany

    Peter

  31. I use both Firefox 3.0 and MSIE 7 and love both. Personally, the only thing I don’t like about Firefox 3.0 is that there are a few major extension (most notably, the Google Toolbar) have yet to reach the browser. All-in-all though, it’s a fantastic step forward for the browser.

  32. I use both Firefox 3.0 and MSIE 7 and love both. Personally, the only thing I don’t like about Firefox 3.0 is that there are a few major extension (most notably, the Google Toolbar) have yet to reach the browser. All-in-all though, it’s a fantastic step forward for the browser.

  33. FF3 made many changes, including a new javascript interpreter, which affect the operation of extension scripts. Stuff that used to happen synchronously now run in seperate independent processes. This speeds things up a lot on javascript-heavy pages (scripts no longer have to wait on each other), but it can disrupt things such as interaction between extension scripts and web page scripts.

    It completely broke an extension I’ve been working on. My code would call a script on the web page and then keep executing, tring to fetch and use the result before the other script had finished processing and hadn’t yet returned a result. Fortunately, I was able to use new FF3 features to do things a different way, which resulted in faster, smaller code, and was much easier than the old way. Of course, then I had to write code to detect the availability of the new functions and do things either way, choosing appropriately, in order to be backwards-compatible with FF2 and earlier.

    Extension developers are going to love coding for FF3, but it’s always a PITA when platform changes break things, and I expect the changes in FF3 broke a lot of extension scripts. The price of progress…

  34. FF3 made many changes, including a new javascript interpreter, which affect the operation of extension scripts. Stuff that used to happen synchronously now run in seperate independent processes. This speeds things up a lot on javascript-heavy pages (scripts no longer have to wait on each other), but it can disrupt things such as interaction between extension scripts and web page scripts.

    It completely broke an extension I’ve been working on. My code would call a script on the web page and then keep executing, tring to fetch and use the result before the other script had finished processing and hadn’t yet returned a result. Fortunately, I was able to use new FF3 features to do things a different way, which resulted in faster, smaller code, and was much easier than the old way. Of course, then I had to write code to detect the availability of the new functions and do things either way, choosing appropriately, in order to be backwards-compatible with FF2 and earlier.

    Extension developers are going to love coding for FF3, but it’s always a PITA when platform changes break things, and I expect the changes in FF3 broke a lot of extension scripts. The price of progress…

  35. I run an online business website and use Firefox3.0 to acces joomla back-end. Combined with my MacBook Pro FF3.0 is absolutely brilliant!!

  36. I run an online business website and use Firefox3.0 to acces joomla back-end. Combined with my MacBook Pro FF3.0 is absolutely brilliant!!

  37. I use FF3 as my primary browser from about Beta 4. I think it is a best browser so far, although the game is far from over yet. Let’s see what IE8 would bring to the table.

  38. I use FF3 as my primary browser from about Beta 4. I think it is a best browser so far, although the game is far from over yet. Let’s see what IE8 would bring to the table.

  39. Ffox 3 has a couple of problems. Video/audio freezes occasionally but predictably… though I think this has to more to do with another problem which is causing the browser to slow to a crawl. Maybe there are still some memory leak problems? It’s bad enough that I’ve considered rolling back.

  40. Ffox 3 has a couple of problems. Video/audio freezes occasionally but predictably… though I think this has to more to do with another problem which is causing the browser to slow to a crawl. Maybe there are still some memory leak problems? It’s bad enough that I’ve considered rolling back.

  41. Steve Gillmor went to a PARTY? Fuck me… was it some kind of affinity group meeting? My god that must have been hell!

  42. Steve Gillmor went to a PARTY? Fuck me… was it some kind of affinity group meeting? My god that must have been hell!

  43. Mike Arrington and Steve Gillmor don’t use rubber dildos either.. does that make news as well? FAIL try better scooby

  44. Mike Arrington and Steve Gillmor don’t use rubber dildos either.. does that make news as well? FAIL try better scooby