Microsoft’s 320 million anti-Google weapons

Yesterday I was sitting in Brian Hall’s office when the Yahoo/Google news was breaking. Who’s he? The guy at Microsoft who runs most of the non-search Windows Live stuff. You know, Hotmail, Messenger, Spaces, and a bunch of other stuff.

We filmed a little fun cell phone video, but our longer interview will be up sometime over next few weeks.

In that he told me what Microsoft is going to do now that the Yahoo deal fell through. He admitted that he was one of the guys working on that deal.

His number one weapon to use against Google?

The 320 million active users of Hotmail and Messenger. That’s 320 million people who have signed into these services in the past 30 days (which, by the way, is WAY up from when I worked at Microsoft — when I worked at Microsoft they were saying 150 to 200 million). Keep in mind that Facebook looks like they just passed 100 million users, so you can see that these are still very popular services.

The trick is how do you get an email user turned into a user of a larger set of services.

Brian showed me several ways. One of the coolest was that if you try to email a photo to someone, which he claimed was still the #1 way to share a photo with people, it automatically uploads those photos to Microsoft’s photo-sharing service and builds links to those pages right in your email.

What did I take away from our visit to Microsoft? You can never count these guys out. They always have the potential to change the marketplace because of how many users still are engaged with their stuff.

The ties they are building between services are interesting. I think Microsoft needs a social networking component like Google’s Friend Connect, though, which would be used on all these services.

Hmmm, why doesn’t Mark Zuckerberg build them one? Imagine if that happened and the social graph showed up on Hotmail and on Messenger?

UPDATE: tons of people are talking about this post over on FriendFeed.

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  • http://trancemist.net/blog/ TranceMist

    Yeah, and 300 of those 320 are spammers.

  • http://trancemist.net/blog/ TranceMist

    Yeah, and 300 of those 320 are spammers.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Trance: not true. Nice try, though. I’m still on Hotmail and I get very little spam. Also, almost none of the spam I get originates from a Hotmail address.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Trance: not true. Nice try, though. I’m still on Hotmail and I get very little spam. Also, almost none of the spam I get originates from a Hotmail address.

  • Jamie

    I’ve signed in to Hotmail in the last 30 days, but they would have to shoot me and then run my fingers over the keys in order to keep me from using gmail and iGoogle as my regular web tools. If they ended the web clutter and slow loads, maybe. But then they wouldn’t be Microsoft.

  • Jamie

    I’ve signed in to Hotmail in the last 30 days, but they would have to shoot me and then run my fingers over the keys in order to keep me from using gmail and iGoogle as my regular web tools. If they ended the web clutter and slow loads, maybe. But then they wouldn’t be Microsoft.

  • Jamie

    I’ve signed in to Hotmail in the last 30 days, but they would have to shoot me and then run my fingers over the keys in order to keep me from using gmail and iGoogle as my regular web tools. If they ended the web clutter and slow loads, maybe. But then they wouldn’t be Microsoft.

  • Jamie

    I’ve signed in to Hotmail in the last 30 days, but they would have to shoot me and then run my fingers over the keys in order to keep me from using gmail and iGoogle as my regular web tools. If they ended the web clutter and slow loads, maybe. But then they wouldn’t be Microsoft.

  • Jamie

    I’ve signed in to Hotmail in the last 30 days, but they would have to shoot me and then run my fingers over the keys in order to keep me from using gmail and iGoogle as my regular web tools. If they ended the web clutter and slow loads, maybe. But then they wouldn’t be Microsoft.

  • Jamie

    I’ve signed in to Hotmail in the last 30 days, but they would have to shoot me and then run my fingers over the keys in order to keep me from using gmail and iGoogle as my regular web tools. If they ended the web clutter and slow loads, maybe. But then they wouldn’t be Microsoft.

  • Ben

    “if you try to email a photo to someone … it automatically uploads those photos to Microsoft’s photo-sharing service and builds links to those pages right in your email”

    Wow, what a horrible idea. I don’t suppose there is anything to keep the recipient from posting the link anywhere they want is there? Sure, they could forward or post your attached photos but posting a link is so much easier. How long before someone’s photos end up being seen and/or used by a complete stranger and/or “bad person”.

  • Ben

    “if you try to email a photo to someone … it automatically uploads those photos to Microsoft’s photo-sharing service and builds links to those pages right in your email”

    Wow, what a horrible idea. I don’t suppose there is anything to keep the recipient from posting the link anywhere they want is there? Sure, they could forward or post your attached photos but posting a link is so much easier. How long before someone’s photos end up being seen and/or used by a complete stranger and/or “bad person”.

  • http://ducttape.wordpress.com/ ducttape

    Hey Robert, I know it’s only a couple of comments, but I think the few here seem to reflect the real challenge that MS faces in this Google hunting game.

  • http://ducttape.wordpress.com/ ducttape

    Hey Robert, I know it’s only a couple of comments, but I think the few here seem to reflect the real challenge that MS faces in this Google hunting game.

  • Ben

    “if you try to email a photo to someone … it automatically uploads those photos to Microsoft’s photo-sharing service and builds links to those pages right in your email”

    Wow, what a horrible idea. I don’t suppose there is anything to keep the recipient from posting the link anywhere they want is there? Sure, they could forward or post your attached photos but posting a link is so much easier. How long before someone’s photos end up being seen and/or used by a complete stranger and/or “bad person”.

  • http://ducttape.wordpress.com/ ducttape

    Hey Robert, I know it’s only a couple of comments, but I think the few here seem to reflect the real challenge that MS faces in this Google hunting game.

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com davemc500hats

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://500hats.typepad.com dave mcclure

    nice piece Robert.

    i wrote a few similar thoughts a few weeks back on this as well, altho the opportunity isn’t limited to just Microsoft; it’s also something Yahoo, AOL, or even Google itself could implement:

    http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2008/05/memo-to-google.html

    “Memo to Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & AOL: How to Turn 500M email logins into Facebook Platform & a Crapload of Revenue”

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net/ Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://thisoldcode.net Aaron Fischer

    I guess I am not the only one that likes Hotmail more then Gmail.

    @Ben, your argument is ridicules if you email the pic, the recipient could do what ever they wanted with it/post it where ever. With a link, you go back and remove it from the server.

    Microsoft almost has a social graph with your email/messenger contacts.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com/ Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com/ Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com/ Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com/ Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com/ Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com/ Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • http://opendomain.blogspot.com Mary Zolinett

    Interesting that we always talk about MS “catching up.” Too bad they can’t actually lead on something that matters.

  • William Francis

    Robert, they already have a “Friend Connect”. It’s called Windows Live ID Delegated Authentication and they are way ahead of the curve on it.

    The trouble is they don’t have as accurate a portrayal of the social graph as Facebook does. And nobody is using their other services (Live Events, Spaces/Photos etc)

  • William Francis

    Robert, they already have a “Friend Connect”. It’s called Windows Live ID Delegated Authentication and they are way ahead of the curve on it.

    The trouble is they don’t have as accurate a portrayal of the social graph as Facebook does. And nobody is using their other services (Live Events, Spaces/Photos etc)

  • William Francis

    Robert, they already have a “Friend Connect”. It’s called Windows Live ID Delegated Authentication and they are way ahead of the curve on it.

    The trouble is they don’t have as accurate a portrayal of the social graph as Facebook does. And nobody is using their other services (Live Events, Spaces/Photos etc)

  • http://consumer2business.com/ Greg Bond

    Scoble,

    You are the Fox news of tech. Not in the conservative way, but in the turn off the volume and watch the cool graphics kind of way. Interesting, but not that deep, a lot of speculation, and fantastical. The consumers are falling away from Microsoft (.) Just because people use something doesn’t make it powerful. Many people use toilet bowl plungers, I heard you need to use yours often for all the crap you spew on the web, but they don’t change much and people don’t expect them to. Toilet plunger makers aren’t that powerful, they just push ish through the pipes.

    Microsoft is a high tech toilet plunger maker. Necessary, but people just don’t care about them much.

    Show me a Microsoft advocate and I’ll show you 100 Apple advocates, etc. The shi(f)t away from Microsoft is happening on every front. They have no chance, just wait.

  • http://consumer2business.com/ Greg Bond

    Scoble,

    You are the Fox news of tech. Not in the conservative way, but in the turn off the volume and watch the cool graphics kind of way. Interesting, but not that deep, a lot of speculation, and fantastical. The consumers are falling away from Microsoft (.) Just because people use something doesn’t make it powerful. Many people use toilet bowl plungers, I heard you need to use yours often for all the crap you spew on the web, but they don’t change much and people don’t expect them to. Toilet plunger makers aren’t that powerful, they just push ish through the pipes.

    Microsoft is a high tech toilet plunger maker. Necessary, but people just don’t care about them much.

    Show me a Microsoft advocate and I’ll show you 100 Apple advocates, etc. The shi(f)t away from Microsoft is happening on every front. They have no chance, just wait.