The Well Funded Layoff

Today Seesmic laid off seven staff members, after laying off three other members a couple of weeks ago.

They have millions of dollars in the bank and are well funded. Why would they do that?

Well, I went over and hung out with the remaining staff and CEO Loic Le Meur this afternoon to learn more and to try to discern the advice that Le Meur got and how many other startups are about to do the same thing. Here’s what I learned.

First, Le Meur has a really deep set of advisors. People like Pierre Omidyar , the founder of eBay and Martin Varsavsky founder of Fon.

They are telling him that the downturn will be deep and will be multi quarter. They told him it was a good idea to conserve cash and bunker down.

Translation: Le Meur isn’t the only one getting this advice. Sequoia Capital told its companies the same thing.

The thing is Le Meur is better connected around the world than most of us. He’s been seeing this downturn coming for months and has been tracking it, so he’s one of the first who is mentally ready to move. He told me that he predicts other CEOs will do the same thing over the next couple of weeks. Those who don’t, he told me, will be told by their boards over the next few months to take the same actions if the CEOs don’t make the hard decisions to do this today.

“But what if the economy turns back up in the next month?”

Well, Le Meur told me he just cut jobs that aren’t core to the mission of Seesmic. Designers. Marketers. PR. He told me all those functions are outsourceable and aren’t core to what they do. The folks sitting around the table were developers, people who kept servers running, who were directly responsible for keeping customers happy.

This is a smart strategy. First, it keeps people who are core to the mission happy because they know the CEO took steps to protect their jobs even if the world goes to hell. CEOs who wait until their hand is forced won’t see the same morale saving effect that Le Meur will see here. Second, it saves capital for potential acquisitions after other companies run out of cash and are forced to beg to be purchased the way my old company was (PodTech sold for a few hundred thousand dollars after having millions in capital pumped into it). Third, it saves capital for later when the storm clears and they will want to expand. Fourth, it gives them more time to find a business model since advertising is going to be a tough sell for a company like Seesmic right now.

But, Le Meur didn’t come to this decision easily. He literally teared up with me today. Being a leader and making really tough choices isn’t easy and this market isn’t easy to navigate for anyone.

My thoughts are with the workers who are laid off. How can we help you find jobs? Let’s have some innovative thinking about that too.

Who is next?

  • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

    Just hang on for another 3 weeks, Obama will fix the whole thing in the matter of a few hand shakes.

    What’s the solution?

    Put Google in charge of society, give Google the $700 billion, they can make things work again. Within 5 years, we’ll all have wind and solar energy powered electric cars, every child in the world will have a laptop, all wireless Internet will be free, the global warming problem will be under control, there will be cures for nearly all diseases, food for everyone, no more terrorists.

    By the way, everyone replaces their credit cards with an Android phone that manages everyones money wirelessly.

  • arturopelayo

    I found your post very insightful whilst hoping the downturn is not as bad as when the .com bubble burst.

    I am currently in the job market as well and hope that I can find a place where I can work full-time as well.

    It is perhaps a great time for serendipity and I second your suggestion to have innovative thinking. There is great alchemy with all the talent pool.

    Thanks,

    Arturo.

    founder, MediaAlchemy.org

  • http://techvideoblog.com Charbax

    Just hang on for another 3 weeks, Obama will fix the whole thing in the matter of a few hand shakes.

    What’s the solution?

    Put Google in charge of society, give Google the $700 billion, they can make things work again. Within 5 years, we’ll all have wind and solar energy powered electric cars, every child in the world will have a laptop, all wireless Internet will be free, the global warming problem will be under control, there will be cures for nearly all diseases, food for everyone, no more terrorists.

    By the way, everyone replaces their credit cards with an Android phone that manages everyones money wirelessly.

  • arturopelayo

    I found your post very insightful whilst hoping the downturn is not as bad as when the .com bubble burst.

    I am currently in the job market as well and hope that I can find a place where I can work full-time as well.

    It is perhaps a great time for serendipity and I second your suggestion to have innovative thinking. There is great alchemy with all the talent pool.

    Thanks,

    Arturo.

    founder, MediaAlchemy.org

  • http://www.horngroup.com/ susan e

    Robert, pls let the PR folks know to contact me. Even if we don’t have the right position ourselves, we sometimes use freelancers and have a portfolio of clients who may be looking.

  • http://www.horngroup.com susan e

    Robert, pls let the PR folks know to contact me. Even if we don’t have the right position ourselves, we sometimes use freelancers and have a portfolio of clients who may be looking.

  • http://www.loiclemeur.com/ Loic

    wew. outed as teared up for a brief moment with my remaining team, you and Loren, that is right, I am human and not ashamed of that.

    Robert, thank you so much for showing up immediately as you heard the news. Meant a lot to me.

  • http://www.loiclemeur.com Loic

    wew. outed as teared up for a brief moment with my remaining team, you and Loren, that is right, I am human and not ashamed of that.

    Robert, thank you so much for showing up immediately as you heard the news. Meant a lot to me.

  • http://www.facereviews.com/ rodney rumford

    Robert,
    Great blog post. Smart entrepreneurs are going to do exactly what Loic and Seesmic did. Cut out non core services.

    This is a tough call with all CEO’s. Especially with startups; you feel so connected to every employee who has believed in your vision.

    I understand his pain; but in the long run it is the right thing to do. Conserve as much cash as possible and try to innovate when no one else is.

    Let’s all try to keep the faith! This too shall pass.

  • http://www.facereviews.com rodney rumford

    Robert,
    Great blog post. Smart entrepreneurs are going to do exactly what Loic and Seesmic did. Cut out non core services.

    This is a tough call with all CEO’s. Especially with startups; you feel so connected to every employee who has believed in your vision.

    I understand his pain; but in the long run it is the right thing to do. Conserve as much cash as possible and try to innovate when no one else is.

    Let’s all try to keep the faith! This too shall pass.

  • http://www.loiclemeur.com/ Loic

    oh and we will get the mobile client work on your mobile before 2012 too ;)

  • http://www.loiclemeur.com Loic

    oh and we will get the mobile client work on your mobile before 2012 too ;)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    >arturopelayo everyone I talk with says that this wil be deeper, longer, and harder than the 2000 tech bubble burst. Why? Because that affected mostly just tech. This is starting elsewhere in the economy and coming toward us like a Category 5 hurricane and the devastation it leaves elsewhere in the economy is going to guarantee it’s long and hard.

  • http://borismsilver.wordpress.com/ Boris M. Silver

    When I read this news, it didn’t make sense to me completely.

    I don’t think external conditions should matter to the extent that they don’t impact your bottom line, but merely impact sentiments or emotions.

    From a strict econ perspective, you hire a worker when the marginal benefit of someone is greater than the marginal cost. I’ve had to let people go, but that was because I didn’t think their contribution > cost.

    I don’t see what a “downturn” has to do with anything. Decisions should be based on internal conditions. I don’t know enough about Seesmic’s inner goings to know their internal financial conditions or business model, but I think it’s a mistake to take this as a sign that the sky is falling. For all we know Seesmic had to let these people go because their business model is not gaining traction, not because the external conditions are failing.

    Would the same decision had been made regardless of the financial downturn?

    I think more focus should be paid to building a business that generates positive cash flow. We’ve done it and we didn’t raise VC money.

    Then when the markets crash around you and everyone is running for the hills, you just shove all your resources towards the edge that you have built up and blow up your profitability. It’s like getting dealt a poker hand with +EV — you just push your chips in to maximize your winnings from the edge.

    I think my problem with all the posts out there lately is that they assume people are building businesses without profit in mind. Obviously you have to bunker down and cut cash if you’re spending is out of control, but you probably shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

    All of these advice posts and warning posts should be modified to read: “For Companies With Negative Cash Flow”

    I don’t think this changes a thing. Keep your head down. Work your fucking ass off. Hustle harder.

    -Boris

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    >arturopelayo everyone I talk with says that this wil be deeper, longer, and harder than the 2000 tech bubble burst. Why? Because that affected mostly just tech. This is starting elsewhere in the economy and coming toward us like a Category 5 hurricane and the devastation it leaves elsewhere in the economy is going to guarantee it’s long and hard.

  • http://borismsilver.wordpress.com Boris M. Silver

    When I read this news, it didn’t make sense to me completely.

    I don’t think external conditions should matter to the extent that they don’t impact your bottom line, but merely impact sentiments or emotions.

    From a strict econ perspective, you hire a worker when the marginal benefit of someone is greater than the marginal cost. I’ve had to let people go, but that was because I didn’t think their contribution > cost.

    I don’t see what a “downturn” has to do with anything. Decisions should be based on internal conditions. I don’t know enough about Seesmic’s inner goings to know their internal financial conditions or business model, but I think it’s a mistake to take this as a sign that the sky is falling. For all we know Seesmic had to let these people go because their business model is not gaining traction, not because the external conditions are failing.

    Would the same decision had been made regardless of the financial downturn?

    I think more focus should be paid to building a business that generates positive cash flow. We’ve done it and we didn’t raise VC money.

    Then when the markets crash around you and everyone is running for the hills, you just shove all your resources towards the edge that you have built up and blow up your profitability. It’s like getting dealt a poker hand with +EV — you just push your chips in to maximize your winnings from the edge.

    I think my problem with all the posts out there lately is that they assume people are building businesses without profit in mind. Obviously you have to bunker down and cut cash if you’re spending is out of control, but you probably shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

    All of these advice posts and warning posts should be modified to read: “For Companies With Negative Cash Flow”

    I don’t think this changes a thing. Keep your head down. Work your fucking ass off. Hustle harder.

    -Boris

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Boris: you are nuts. But that’s OK. :-)

    This economy is being slammed. When people get slammed they cut back in advertising and lots of other expenses. My brother’s bar used to have $15,000 a week in sales, now is only seeing $9,000.

    That means that customers have disappeared and the chances you’ll get a business that was counting on an advertising model appearing will be tough. This gives Loic time to build a new business model and have enough runway to stay in there until the business climate improves.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Boris: you are nuts. But that’s OK. :-)

    This economy is being slammed. When people get slammed they cut back in advertising and lots of other expenses. My brother’s bar used to have $15,000 a week in sales, now is only seeing $9,000.

    That means that customers have disappeared and the chances you’ll get a business that was counting on an advertising model appearing will be tough. This gives Loic time to build a new business model and have enough runway to stay in there until the business climate improves.

  • http://onlinevideojunkie.blogspot.com/ Marc Ostrick

    Great post. Very insightful info and well written. I got turned onto this blog from twitter and have been reading it for a few weeks. This is my first posting to the site.

    Hopefully, Obama will get into office and restore some confidence. Right now is a scary scary time.

  • http://onlinevideojunkie.blogspot.com Marc Ostrick

    Great post. Very insightful info and well written. I got turned onto this blog from twitter and have been reading it for a few weeks. This is my first posting to the site.

    Hopefully, Obama will get into office and restore some confidence. Right now is a scary scary time.

  • http://www.livedigitally.com/ Jeremy Toeman

    Got rid of marketing & PR? Maybe I’ve got it wrong, but a consumer-oriented venture that is heavily dependent on a huge user base probably shouldn’t get rid of the arm of the company responsible to grow the user base!? I don’t get it.

  • http://www.livedigitally.com Jeremy Toeman

    Got rid of marketing & PR? Maybe I’ve got it wrong, but a consumer-oriented venture that is heavily dependent on a huge user base probably shouldn’t get rid of the arm of the company responsible to grow the user base!? I don’t get it.

  • Dave Kresta

    There shouldn’t be any “non-core” jobs in a startup, period. Funny that you (and Loic I guess?) think that marketers and designers and less core than developers. Good way to run a company into the ground? Develop lots of code that provides a really shitty user experience (because you don’t have any designers) and solves a problem that doesn’t exist (because you don’t have any smart marketers). Not saying layoffs aren’t necessary, but need to look at the business holistically.

  • Emmanuel Paraskakis

    Wow, I thought bars would be doing well in this economy – people have to drown their sorrows – right? :-)
    Seriously though, tough call for Loic – my thoughts go out to the folks laid off…

  • Dave Kresta

    There shouldn’t be any “non-core” jobs in a startup, period. Funny that you (and Loic I guess?) think that marketers and designers and less core than developers. Good way to run a company into the ground? Develop lots of code that provides a really shitty user experience (because you don’t have any designers) and solves a problem that doesn’t exist (because you don’t have any smart marketers). Not saying layoffs aren’t necessary, but need to look at the business holistically.

  • http://@manp Emmanuel Paraskakis

    Wow, I thought bars would be doing well in this economy – people have to drown their sorrows – right? :-)
    Seriously though, tough call for Loic – my thoughts go out to the folks laid off…

  • http://www.collaborativeye.com/ Dave Kresta

    forgot my website on last comment.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jeremy: easy to get it. Marketing and PR is being done by Loic. He’s better at those functions than anyone he’s hired. He hasn’t stopped doing them. But as customers disappear from the market (and they ARE disappearing) you’ve got to cut back in kind. Especially in marketing that isn’t working or that isn’t trackable to real results.

  • http://www.collaborativeye.com Dave Kresta

    forgot my website on last comment.

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Jeremy: easy to get it. Marketing and PR is being done by Loic. He’s better at those functions than anyone he’s hired. He hasn’t stopped doing them. But as customers disappear from the market (and they ARE disappearing) you’ve got to cut back in kind. Especially in marketing that isn’t working or that isn’t trackable to real results.

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  • technacea

    Thanks Robert and Loic. The transparency is appreciated. I think its time for all of us to put more effort into our respective endeavors, increase our contribution to the community, and maintain perspective. As Rodney said above: This too shall pass.

  • technacea

    Thanks Robert and Loic. The transparency is appreciated. I think its time for all of us to put more effort into our respective endeavors, increase our contribution to the community, and maintain perspective. As Rodney said above: This too shall pass.

  • http://www.lingospot.com/ Nikos

    Robert,

    Your brother’s bar use to have $15,000 a week in sales, now is only seeing $9,000???
    I would think that the unstoppable dive of the market would drive more people to drink!

    That being said, I do agree with you that businesses with advertising models should substantially scale back their expectations for the year to come and thing Loic did the right (albeit hard) thing to do.

    - Nikos

  • http://www.lingospot.com Nikos

    Robert,

    Your brother’s bar use to have $15,000 a week in sales, now is only seeing $9,000???
    I would think that the unstoppable dive of the market would drive more people to drink!

    That being said, I do agree with you that businesses with advertising models should substantially scale back their expectations for the year to come and thing Loic did the right (albeit hard) thing to do.

    - Nikos

  • http://www.shawnmk.com/ Shawn Kelley

    Interesting how less than 2 weeks ago when Calacanis sent out his email ‘prediction’ so many people thought it was ridiculous. Yet, what he thought would happen is happening and the advice you share here is very similar to what he shared. Great lessons to be learned.

    Thanks for this post. As sad as it is to hear about layoffs like this starting, I think there is a great amount of hope that can yet be found as a result of what has been learned in the last 8 years (since the ‘bubble’).

    Thanks too for your example of supporting those you care about. Hopefully we’ll hear more stories of that happening as these tough decisions have to be made.

  • http://www.TaylorBarr.com/ TaylorBarr

    Robert,

    I understand the gist of at what you trying to communicate with this post, although I feel there is some slight misdirection. You say Loic, “…cut jobs that aren’t core to the mission of Seesmic. Designers. Marketers. PR. He told me all those functions are outsourceable and aren’t core to what they do.” then go on to say, “This is a smart strategy.” I comprehend that the market is seeing a shallow deep and that funding (especially startups with business models that depend heavily on advertising revenues), should keep cash on hand and guard their long-term equities.

    The thing I don’t understand is the closing paragraph. You first start off by explaining that all the roles that are not directly related to the product are useless, then try to turn around and help them find jobs… huh? If use the market as a level playing field, won’t those jobs, in your eyes, be fluff for someones else’s company? I understand your words are coming from compassion, but the market is going to be the same for all companies. Let us not mislead folks…

    By the way, I am an avid Seesmic user and I haven’t seen you on in awhile. Jump on and let’s get to talking!

    Regards,
    TaylorBarr

  • http://www.shawnmk.com Shawn Kelley

    Interesting how less than 2 weeks ago when Calacanis sent out his email ‘prediction’ so many people thought it was ridiculous. Yet, what he thought would happen is happening and the advice you share here is very similar to what he shared. Great lessons to be learned.

    Thanks for this post. As sad as it is to hear about layoffs like this starting, I think there is a great amount of hope that can yet be found as a result of what has been learned in the last 8 years (since the ‘bubble’).

    Thanks too for your example of supporting those you care about. Hopefully we’ll hear more stories of that happening as these tough decisions have to be made.

  • http://www.TaylorBarr.com TaylorBarr

    Robert,

    I understand the gist of at what you trying to communicate with this post, although I feel there is some slight misdirection. You say Loic, “…cut jobs that aren’t core to the mission of Seesmic. Designers. Marketers. PR. He told me all those functions are outsourceable and aren’t core to what they do.” then go on to say, “This is a smart strategy.” I comprehend that the market is seeing a shallow deep and that funding (especially startups with business models that depend heavily on advertising revenues), should keep cash on hand and guard their long-term equities.

    The thing I don’t understand is the closing paragraph. You first start off by explaining that all the roles that are not directly related to the product are useless, then try to turn around and help them find jobs… huh? If use the market as a level playing field, won’t those jobs, in your eyes, be fluff for someones else’s company? I understand your words are coming from compassion, but the market is going to be the same for all companies. Let us not mislead folks…

    By the way, I am an avid Seesmic user and I haven’t seen you on in awhile. Jump on and let’s get to talking!

    Regards,
    TaylorBarr

  • http://www.nobleacuff.com/ nacuff

    Much as I hate to say it, it sounds like a smart strategy. Cut costs quickly without affecting your core competencies, and assume that you’re going to be living off your current bank account for several quarters to come. In a micro sense this is a smart move for a single company, but to paraphrase Keynes’ “paradox of thrift” what’s good for a single company is really bad for the economy at large if everyone starts doing it.

    The only shred of hope I see at the moment for a near-term market recovery is a well-coordinated global effort by the G7 to get credit markets “unfrozen”, while some very intelligent financiers figure out how to unravel or nullify the credit default swap mess.

  • http://www.nobleacuff.com nacuff

    Much as I hate to say it, it sounds like a smart strategy. Cut costs quickly without affecting your core competencies, and assume that you’re going to be living off your current bank account for several quarters to come. In a micro sense this is a smart move for a single company, but to paraphrase Keynes’ “paradox of thrift” what’s good for a single company is really bad for the economy at large if everyone starts doing it.

    The only shred of hope I see at the moment for a near-term market recovery is a well-coordinated global effort by the G7 to get credit markets “unfrozen”, while some very intelligent financiers figure out how to unravel or nullify the credit default swap mess.

  • Christian

    What are Seesmic revenues anyway ?
    Splurge, downturn, whatever, I can’t see how a firm with no revenue could be affected by the economic environment… sorry.

    Quoting Loic from June 2008 (http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/06/how-omidyar-net.html):
    “Monetizing Seesmic won’t occur in the next 12 months, we are focusing on the community and the platform. I believe video adsense like advertising will be huge and TV advertising dollars will finally shift online, but it will take 3 to 5 years, this is why we need funding to be there when it grows.”

  • Christian

    What are Seesmic revenues anyway ?
    Splurge, downturn, whatever, I can’t see how a firm with no revenue could be affected by the economic environment… sorry.

    Quoting Loic from June 2008 (http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/06/how-omidyar-net.html):
    “Monetizing Seesmic won’t occur in the next 12 months, we are focusing on the community and the platform. I believe video adsense like advertising will be huge and TV advertising dollars will finally shift online, but it will take 3 to 5 years, this is why we need funding to be there when it grows.”

  • Dave

    Who’s next? Any business that is depending borrowed money to make payroll and keep their business running. (which is a huge majority) There is no money to be loaned. If you have no cash in the bank, well, good luck staying in business.

    But Charbax is right. Just hold out a few more weeks. Once the Obamunist is elected this will all magically disappear. Afterall, he’s the Savior, right? (At least that’s what I keep hearing)

  • Dave

    Who’s next? Any business that is depending borrowed money to make payroll and keep their business running. (which is a huge majority) There is no money to be loaned. If you have no cash in the bank, well, good luck staying in business.

    But Charbax is right. Just hold out a few more weeks. Once the Obamunist is elected this will all magically disappear. Afterall, he’s the Savior, right? (At least that’s what I keep hearing)

  • http://scobleizer.com/ Robert Scoble

    Taylor. No. Let’s see. A car mechanic might be nice for me to have around, but he’s not core to my business, but to an auto shop? He’s very core. So, a designer might not be core at Seesmic, but would be very core at someplace like IDEO. Get it?

  • http://scobleizer.com Robert Scoble

    Taylor. No. Let’s see. A car mechanic might be nice for me to have around, but he’s not core to my business, but to an auto shop? He’s very core. So, a designer might not be core at Seesmic, but would be very core at someplace like IDEO. Get it?

  • John Le

    It is human nature to overreact. First the pendulum swings to the far right and people/companies are overly optimistic and spend themselves into trouble. Now the pendulum swings the other way and everyone is putting money under their “mattresses”. The pyschology is maddening. VCs propogate it…bloggers emphasize it…and consumers have to deal with it…

    The market just needs to clean house and purge itself. I’ve worked with many of the street firms and have many colleagues who made and created this toxic mess. They weren’t stupid people –just motivated by GREED. Now, main street feels the pain and wall street will resurrect its head in a couple of years and move past this point.

    In the meantime, best thing to do is acknowledge what is happening and move on with our daily lives, but if we all spend our time watching the sky fall down we may miss out on the real opportunity.

    Start-ups and mature businesses simply need to behave rationally and operate with fiscal responsibility. There’s nothing revolutionary about that concept. People just forgot about it for the past few years as times were good.

  • John Le

    It is human nature to overreact. First the pendulum swings to the far right and people/companies are overly optimistic and spend themselves into trouble. Now the pendulum swings the other way and everyone is putting money under their “mattresses”. The pyschology is maddening. VCs propogate it…bloggers emphasize it…and consumers have to deal with it…

    The market just needs to clean house and purge itself. I’ve worked with many of the street firms and have many colleagues who made and created this toxic mess. They weren’t stupid people –just motivated by GREED. Now, main street feels the pain and wall street will resurrect its head in a couple of years and move past this point.

    In the meantime, best thing to do is acknowledge what is happening and move on with our daily lives, but if we all spend our time watching the sky fall down we may miss out on the real opportunity.

    Start-ups and mature businesses simply need to behave rationally and operate with fiscal responsibility. There’s nothing revolutionary about that concept. People just forgot about it for the past few years as times were good.

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