10 Reasons why Twitter is for you and FriendFeed is not

Dave Winer talks about why FriendFeed hasn’t gotten super popular yet. He thinks there’s space for a new service between Twitter and FriendFeed. Everyone knows I’m FriendFeed’s #1 customer, but I’ve been studying the two services for a while and have found 10 reasons why FriendFeed isn’t right for you.

1. Twitter has one way to get content into the system. You see a box. You type. You push a button that says “update.” Compare this to FriendFeed. Let’s try to count the ways you can get content into the system.

  • a. the standard way on the top of the page, but there you have to choose whether you are putting in a message, a link, a photo.
  • b. Import your site. Or your Flickr. Or your YouTube. Or your Facebook. Or your Twitter stream. Or your blog. Or your Disqus comments. Or your Upcoming.org stream. Etc. Etc. There are 59 services that can be brought into FriendFeed. Very few services do the same for Twitter.
  • c. You can “Like” an item. Here’s all my likes. There’s 11,500 of them so far, which shows another problem: too much content to go through on FF. Twitter actually has a similar feature, called Favorites, but no one actually uses that.
  • d. You can “Comment” on an item. Here’s my comments. More than 6,000 of them. You really don’t want that kind of distraction. You might have to participate and that wouldn’t be good.
  • e. Then there’s the FriendFeed toolbar bookmarklet.
  • I’m probably missing five other ways you can get content into FriendFeed. Like emailing in items.

2. Twitter has one display of messages that are 140 characters long. You can’t handle the responsibility of longer messages. Plus FriendFeed’s messages include photos. YouTube videos. Play inline audio links. And more. You can’t handle those distractions. Twitter is for you.

3. FriendFeed has a search engine that’s just like Twitter’s search engine. Except you can use that search engine to only search certain data types. On Twitter you only have one datatype. So much less confusing.

4. On Twitter you follow people by your friends telling you their Twitter address. Mine is http://www.twitter.com/scobleizer or you will see someone replying to me by using @scobleizer and you’ll click that link and then click “follow.” FriendFeed has a whole list of recommended users that you’ll need to consider when first signing up for the service. The recommendations, if you’ve followed me, will include such people like Mike Arrington, Charlene Li, Corvida,  Om Malik, Steve Gillmor, Jason Calacanis, David Sifry, and many other people. Now you’ll need to consider how those people got recommended to you and that might hurt your brain. On Twitter it just shows you who I’m following on the right side of the page — members who’ve been on longer are on top of that list.

5. Your friends are on Twitter, they don’t yet know what FriendFeed is. So, FriendFeed is totally lame. Of course, if you aren’t in the tech industry, or a US President Elect (er, his staff), or an NBC Camera Man, a well-known wine seller, a supply-chain manager in China, or a well-known newsman on CNN, you probably are actually on Facebook, but that’s a whole nother blog post.

6. FriendFeed doesn’t have Direct Messaging. Twitter does. Twitter FTW!

7. FriendFeed has rooms. Twitter doesn’t. Rooms seem a lot like old-school mailing lists. Makes your head hurt, so they can’t be a good thing.

8. If you don’t want to see someone on Twitter anymore, you unfollow them. If you don’t want them to see you either, you block them. But that’s about it. FriendFeed does both of those but then also lets you hide posts. Did you know you can hide just someone’s Flickr photos? Or her Tweets? Or both? Too confusing. You can’t  handle that, which is why Twitter is for you. Any service that has a tutorial on how to use a feature is just not for you.

9. FriendFeed has this Real Time feature. Here’s my RealTime Feed which shows 5,000 people being aggregated together. Twitter doesn’t do that, although Twitter search gets close. You just can’t handle that kind of distraction. Did you know you can put that real time stream on the sidebar on Firefox? You really can’t handle that. It’ll distract you to no end.

10. Twitter has more apps like TweetDeck, Twhirl, a ton of iPhone apps, etc. FriendFeed doesn’t have nearly as many third-party apps, so it can’t be as useful.

I could keep going, but that’s why there are millions of people on Twitter and hundreds of thousands of people on FriendFeed.

Let’s meet in six more months and see if anything has changed. Until then, FriendFeed is just not for you. Sorry.

  • http://neuronspark.com/ paul

    Anyone can Twitter, but not many people create feeds

  • http://neuronspark.com paul

    Anyone can Twitter, but not many people create feeds

  • http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/ Ontario Emperor

    Re number 5 – as of a few months ago, Patrick Ruffini was squatting on the Barack Obama FriendFeed, as he tweeted back in February http://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/statuses/753455532 and as you (and Louis Gray) noted back in June http://friendfeed.com/e/407424cd-4b31-4740-825f-95cdd314667f/Barack-Obama-on-FriendFeed-Don-t-believe-it-I-met/ .

    Did Ruffini end up surrendering the account to Obama’s staff?

    Hilarious post, by the way, but there are millions of people in the U.S. for whom both Twitter and FriendFeed are too complex. Twitter may be easy to use, but it’s nowhere near as easy as a telephone – or a pen.

  • http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/ Ontario Emperor

    Re number 5 – as of a few months ago, Patrick Ruffini was squatting on the Barack Obama FriendFeed, as he tweeted back in February http://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/statuses/753455532 and as you (and Louis Gray) noted back in June http://friendfeed.com/e/407424cd-4b31-4740-825f-95cdd314667f/Barack-Obama-on-FriendFeed-Don-t-believe-it-I-met/ .

    Did Ruffini end up surrendering the account to Obama’s staff?

    Hilarious post, by the way, but there are millions of people in the U.S. for whom both Twitter and FriendFeed are too complex. Twitter may be easy to use, but it’s nowhere near as easy as a telephone – or a pen.

  • JC

    I find the tone of this post pretty degrading. Your assumption that the only possible explanation that a reader doesn’t favor FF over Twitter is their lack of comprehension is arrogant. I like to read about what services you advocate but would prefer if you could do so without belittling people.

  • JC

    I find the tone of this post pretty degrading. Your assumption that the only possible explanation that a reader doesn’t favor FF over Twitter is their lack of comprehension is arrogant. I like to read about what services you advocate but would prefer if you could do so without belittling people.

  • http://www.umpcportal.com/ Steve ‘Chippy’ Paine

    Funny. This is the same with ultra mobile PCs. I say they are for pro-mobile users and not for the average person!

    They key here is choice. You want simple – buy a netbook/use twitter. You want high-end flexibility, use a purpose-build UMPC/Friendfeed.

    It’s so nice to have choices – nothing is ever a failure.

    Steve

  • http://www.umpcportal.com Steve ‘Chippy’ Paine

    Funny. This is the same with ultra mobile PCs. I say they are for pro-mobile users and not for the average person!

    They key here is choice. You want simple – buy a netbook/use twitter. You want high-end flexibility, use a purpose-build UMPC/Friendfeed.

    It’s so nice to have choices – nothing is ever a failure.

    Steve

  • http://www.chernow.org/blog Adam

    I never really got into FriendFeed. It just seems like too much info for me. Actually, sometimes I get overwhelmed by my twitter stream, too, but at least Tweet Deck lets me make categories for my friends.

    Btw… You forgot “newscast director in small, midwestern city

    -Adam
    @RockmanAC

  • http://www.chernow.org/blog Adam

    I never really got into FriendFeed. It just seems like too much info for me. Actually, sometimes I get overwhelmed by my twitter stream, too, but at least Tweet Deck lets me make categories for my friends.

    Btw… You forgot “newscast director in small, midwestern city

    -Adam
    @RockmanAC

  • http://dotsandloops.net/ e-head

    I think you guys kind of miss the point of friendfeed.

    IMHO, the point is to aggregate all your disparate and multivariate virtual presences into one spot. Everybody is fed up with trying to keep up with everyone else. My friends want me on facebook, they send me sites over delicious, they complain because I don’t keep up with their flickr feed, or their google reader shared, or whatever. It’s maddening.

    Friendfeed is a “virtual presence” feed. One feed. That’s it. The idea of it is that you never have to touch it. It’s automatic.

    If it’s important that people know what you are doing every 3 hours, then you can even add twitter to it if you want.

  • http://dotsandloops.net e-head

    I think you guys kind of miss the point of friendfeed.

    IMHO, the point is to aggregate all your disparate and multivariate virtual presences into one spot. Everybody is fed up with trying to keep up with everyone else. My friends want me on facebook, they send me sites over delicious, they complain because I don’t keep up with their flickr feed, or their google reader shared, or whatever. It’s maddening.

    Friendfeed is a “virtual presence” feed. One feed. That’s it. The idea of it is that you never have to touch it. It’s automatic.

    If it’s important that people know what you are doing every 3 hours, then you can even add twitter to it if you want.

  • http://dotsandloops.net/ e-head

    I just saw your real time feed, and all I can say is… that’s insane.

    I thought my aggregator was bad! You couldn’t read all that if you wanted. If you did nothing but stare at the real time update, you might be able to read it all, in real time. It would be a full time job.

    Maybe we all just need to realize that other people aren’t as interested in everything we do as we might think.

  • http://dotsandloops.net e-head

    I just saw your real time feed, and all I can say is… that’s insane.

    I thought my aggregator was bad! You couldn’t read all that if you wanted. If you did nothing but stare at the real time update, you might be able to read it all, in real time. It would be a full time job.

    Maybe we all just need to realize that other people aren’t as interested in everything we do as we might think.

  • http://friendfeed.com/mzehrer Michael Zehrer

    I took me a while to discover the full power of friendfeed. Now I couldn’t agree (or disagree? :-) ) more. Twitter is Ok, It’s about emotions, first reactions and it is fast. But friendfeed is about quality and making statements in the never ending stream of information by bringing it all together. It’s some kind of collective memory.

  • http://friendfeed.com/mzehrer Michael Zehrer

    I took me a while to discover the full power of friendfeed. Now I couldn’t agree (or disagree? :-) ) more. Twitter is Ok, It’s about emotions, first reactions and it is fast. But friendfeed is about quality and making statements in the never ending stream of information by bringing it all together. It’s some kind of collective memory.

  • http://franklinbishop.net/ Blog Expert

    Twitter is way better than friendfeed. It is way better in terms of socializing with other people. The layout is better and you can brand yourself.

  • http://franklinbishop.net/ Blog Expert

    Twitter is way better than friendfeed. It is way better in terms of socializing with other people. The layout is better and you can brand yourself.

  • http://deniseleeporter.net/ Denise

    Brilliant! I am a socialmediot and will never figure any of it now ( at least not before 2009-:)

  • http://deniseleeporter.net Denise

    Brilliant! I am a socialmediot and will never figure any of it now ( at least not before 2009-:)

  • http://www.techiteasy.org/ Vincent van Wylick

    The power of FriendFeed, over Twitter, is that you can segment friends and interests. Have a set of entrepreneur people you want to follow? Create a list for them? Want to see Apple-stuff? Join the Apple Room. Don’t want to see certain people all that often? Create a list entitled “once a month friends.” Think someone’s sharing too much from Last.fm / Flickr.com / insert site here? Hide all posts from that site from that user or from everyone. It’s the Twitter-management tool that everyone is missing!

    And reading Twitter is like trying to drink from a firehose, Chris Walker, not FriendFeed. There you can slow it down to a trickle.

  • http://www.techiteasy.org Vincent van Wylick

    The power of FriendFeed, over Twitter, is that you can segment friends and interests. Have a set of entrepreneur people you want to follow? Create a list for them? Want to see Apple-stuff? Join the Apple Room. Don’t want to see certain people all that often? Create a list entitled “once a month friends.” Think someone’s sharing too much from Last.fm / Flickr.com / insert site here? Hide all posts from that site from that user or from everyone. It’s the Twitter-management tool that everyone is missing!

    And reading Twitter is like trying to drink from a firehose, Chris Walker, not FriendFeed. There you can slow it down to a trickle.

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  • Guest

    thanks for your info. I will try again this time as a loggedin wordpress user my comments seem to land in your spam folder???

    Are you personally invested in friendfeed? Do you have shares of the company or do you work for them? Thanks for the info

  • http://andreinchile.com/ André

    thanks for your info. I will try again this time as a loggedin wordpress user my comments seem to land in your spam folder???

    Are you personally invested in friendfeed? Do you have shares of the company or do you work for them? Thanks for the info

  • http://www.softmachinecubed.com/ reechard

    11. FriendFeed lets conversations escape blog posts. It’s much easier to just have a twitter badge with your last few tweets.

  • http://reechard.vox.com Richard Walker

    11. FriendFeed lets conversations escape blog posts. It’s much easier to just have a twitter badge with your last few tweets.

  • http://www.flickr.com/people/pauliewoll Paul

    > 6. FriendFeed doesn’t have Direct Messaging. Twitter does. Twitter FTW!

    Robert, only at the weekend you were dissing Twitter’s DM function. You mischievous scamp(!)

  • http://www.flickr.com/people/pauliewoll Paul

    > 6. FriendFeed doesn’t have Direct Messaging. Twitter does. Twitter FTW!

    Robert, only at the weekend you were dissing Twitter’s DM function. You mischievous scamp(!)

  • http://www.joshchandlerblog.com/ Josh Chandler

    3. FriendFeed has a search engine that’s just like Twitter’s search engine. Except you can use that search engine to only search certain data types. On Twitter you only have one datatype. So much less confusing.

    At least on Friendfeed I can find the darn thing without having to type in search.twitter.com, and Friendfeed’s search offers a more open conversation portal then Twitter search does!

  • http://www.joshchandlerblog.com Josh Chandler

    3. FriendFeed has a search engine that’s just like Twitter’s search engine. Except you can use that search engine to only search certain data types. On Twitter you only have one datatype. So much less confusing.

    At least on Friendfeed I can find the darn thing without having to type in search.twitter.com, and Friendfeed’s search offers a more open conversation portal then Twitter search does!

  • http://www.willandbeyond.com/ Will

    I started using FriendFeed, but I’m not sure I want to add random people (read: network) on it as I do with one of my Twitter accounts because it seems a bit overwhelming. For now I’m using it mostly to watch how much time I waste on the internet.

  • longstoriesshort

    I love it. heh I was unsure that I needed FF at first, but I gave it a shot because a) it was recommended b) I like checking out new things! I’ve not been on FF long but *this* is what social networking is all about. I’ve got eclectic tastes and random thoughts – but I stand a much greater chance at actually finding people that I feel that I can connect with on FF than I ever had on Twitter alone.

  • http://www.willandbeyond.com/ Will

    I started using FriendFeed, but I’m not sure I want to add random people (read: network) on it as I do with one of my Twitter accounts because it seems a bit overwhelming. For now I’m using it mostly to watch how much time I waste on the internet.

  • longstoriesshort

    I love it. heh I was unsure that I needed FF at first, but I gave it a shot because a) it was recommended b) I like checking out new things! I’ve not been on FF long but *this* is what social networking is all about. I’ve got eclectic tastes and random thoughts – but I stand a much greater chance at actually finding people that I feel that I can connect with on FF than I ever had on Twitter alone.

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  • http://imagine-believe-achieve.com/ wendymerritt

    I use friendfeed to enhance my Twitter and my Tweeps Twitter experience. I don’t think you need one or the other…you need an integration of several things. My Twitter communicates with my friendfeed, Digsby (multiple Yahoo IM’s, AOL, MSN Messenger, Google Talk, ICQ and facebook IM), sets my facebook status, updates my myspace page, sets my Skype status, post RSS feeds, scheduled announcements and blog posts. Leverage your time by letting all these wonderful services work together. You don’t need one or the other…LOVE THEM ALL!

    blessings,
    Wendy

  • http://imagine-believe-achieve.com/ wendymerritt

    I use friendfeed to enhance my Twitter and my Tweeps Twitter experience. I don’t think you need one or the other…you need an integration of several things. My Twitter communicates with my friendfeed, Digsby (multiple Yahoo IM’s, AOL, MSN Messenger, Google Talk, ICQ and facebook IM), sets my facebook status, updates my myspace page, sets my Skype status, post RSS feeds, scheduled announcements and blog posts. Leverage your time by letting all these wonderful services work together. You don’t need one or the other…LOVE THEM ALL!

    blessings,
    Wendy

  • laprensa66

    Truly amazed that so many people thought the article was praising Twitter over FF. You have taken away from this article the exact opposite of what was said.

    If a gun was to my head and a friend (who never really ‘got’ social media) asked in order to catchup what my advice would be?

    Leapfrog twitter and start on FF.

    (That friend was really me)

  • laprensa66

    Truly amazed that so many people thought the article was praising Twitter over FF. You have taken away from this article the exact opposite of what was said.

    If a gun was to my head and a friend (who never really ‘got’ social media) asked in order to catchup what my advice would be?

    Leapfrog twitter and start on FF.

    (That friend was really me)

  • http://identityprogression.blogspot.com/ Jared

    So I’m fairly new to Twitter. I’ve enjoyed the feeds of @scobleizer and @timoreilly; is there any way to display users that BOTH of the above are following?

    Just wondering…

  • http://identityprogression.blogspot.com/ Jared

    So I’m fairly new to Twitter. I’ve enjoyed the feeds of @scobleizer and @timoreilly; is there any way to display users that BOTH of the above are following?

    Just wondering…

  • http://johnhaydon.com John Haydon

    Found this post through friendfeed…

  • http://www.corporatedollar.com johnhaydon

    Found this post through friendfeed…

  • http://rkblogs.net/ Rk

    You have listed most advantages but yet wonder why FF is not as popular as Twitter ? All your reasons make you a friendfeed guy ;-) - you just complicate and list too many things. A twitter guy would have said put your entire post in 140 chars – ff is too complex,twitter is simple.twitter was early,hence more users/popular.

    also,twitter has just one goal-what are you doing? comparing ff to twitter is like comparing an apartment to a swing (ha ha,i fail to find a better one)…in apartment you can cook in kitchen,in swing you can only swing – kitchen is not for you. in bathroom, you can bath, in swing you can only swing, bathroom is not for you…

    My thoughts.

  • http://rkblogs.net Rk

    You have listed most advantages but yet wonder why FF is not as popular as Twitter ? All your reasons make you a friendfeed guy ;-) - you just complicate and list too many things. A twitter guy would have said put your entire post in 140 chars – ff is too complex,twitter is simple.twitter was early,hence more users/popular.

    also,twitter has just one goal-what are you doing? comparing ff to twitter is like comparing an apartment to a swing (ha ha,i fail to find a better one)…in apartment you can cook in kitchen,in swing you can only swing – kitchen is not for you. in bathroom, you can bath, in swing you can only swing, bathroom is not for you…

    My thoughts.

  • http://brisbaneposts.blogspot.com/ David Jackmanson

    “There are 59 services that can be brought into FriendFeed. Very few services do the same for Twitter.”

    Any service that provides an RSS feed can be brought into Twitter via Twitterfeed. I pipe about a dozen of my online services into Twitter via Twitterfeed and use it and Facebook as my main social networking hubs. I have a FriendFeed account, but it is secondary

  • http://brisbaneposts.blogspot.com David Jackmanson

    “There are 59 services that can be brought into FriendFeed. Very few services do the same for Twitter.”

    Any service that provides an RSS feed can be brought into Twitter via Twitterfeed. I pipe about a dozen of my online services into Twitter via Twitterfeed and use it and Facebook as my main social networking hubs. I have a FriendFeed account, but it is secondary

  • http://alternativemedicinesource.co.cc/ AlternativeMedicineSource

    I’m not using twitter because I think it’s just meaningless, well I find this post and maybe I should consider to use twitter

  • http://alternativemedicinesource.co.cc/ AlternativeMedicineSource

    I’m not using twitter because I think it’s just meaningless, well I find this post and maybe I should consider to use twitter