Why Facebook has never listened and why it definitely won’t start now

My former boss, Jim Fawcette, used to say that if you asked a group of Porsche owners what they wanted they’d tell you things like “smoother ride, more trunk space, more leg room, etc.” He’d then say “well, they just designed a Volvo.”

His words were meant to get us out of letting the customers run our business mode we often found ourselves falling into.

Today, over on Techmeme, I see that the latest uproar is over Facebook’s new design and how Mark Zuckerberg is telling people that he won’t listen to customers. Or something like that.

Before we get deeper into this, remember that Facebook has always pissed off its users. First, you’ve gotta realize that in Facebook’s life it will go through at least seven phases. We are moving from phase four to phase five right now. In each phase change people have gotten pissed off.

Here’s the phases of Facebook:

Phase 1. Harvard only.
Phase 2. Harvard+Colleges only.
Phase 3. Harvard+Colleges+Geeks only.
Phase 4. All those above+All People (in the social graph).
Phase 5. All those above+People and businesses in the social graph.
Phase 6. All those above+People, businesses, and well-known objects in the social graph.
Phase 7. All people, businesses, objects in the social graph.

Phase 5 is known as when Facebook is really going to find its business model. This is why Mark Zuckerberg is absolutely correct to say he can’t listen to people who wants Facebook to get stuck in Phase Four. It was a nice phase, yes, when Facebook only had people in the social graph, but those days are over.

Don’t get distracted by the current design that looks sort of like Twitter. Twitter showed that businesses can co-exist on the social graph along with people. Zuckerberg is smart. He saw that Twitter was going to make a crapload of money (that’s why he tried to buy Twitter) and instead of being depressed by being turned down by @ev he decided to phase shift Facebook.

Zuckerberg is a real leader because he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. He’s going to do what he thinks is best for his business. I wish Silicon Valley had more like him.

Anyway, all those who are saying the new design sucks should NOT be listened to. Yeah, I know a lot of people are going to get mad at me for saying that. After all, how can a blogger say to not listen to the masses? Easy: I’ve seen the advice the masses are giving and most of it isn’t very good for Facebook’s business interests.

When Zuckerberg announced these changes a couple of weeks ago I told him he was brilliant and that his moves this month would be remembered for decades. Decades.

Here’s why:

Let’s say you’re walking down University Ave. in Palo Alto, California in a couple of years (or, really, any street in the world) and you’re hungry.

You pull out your iPhone or Palm Pre or Android or Blackberry or Windows Mobile doohickey and click open the Facebook application. Then you type “sushi near me.”

It answers back “within walking distance are two sushi restaurants that more than 20 of your friends have liked.”

Wait a second. “Friends have liked?”

Sounds like friendfeed. But, because Facebook has the users (it is growing the size of Twitter every 15 days or so because Facebook has about 180 million users while Twitter only has about 10 million. Facebook, at this point, is growing 200,000 to 700,000 users per day. Twitter is growing by far fewer users per day (although its percentage growth is faster).

But don’t worry about the friendfeed copying. Zuckerberg is so close to a gold mine that his metal detectors must be going crazy. All he has to do is figure out how to keep those pesky users from leaving the service.

Oh, wait, they aren’t leaving! How do I know that?

Because my wife Maryam is totally addicted to Facebook. She hasn’t left. She hasn’t slowed down. She just told me she didn’t like the new design and made some noises that she was only going to use the iPhone version (not true in my observations). So, if Zuckerberg didn’t lose Maryam and her friends, he’s safe. He SHOULD NOT LISTEN to those who are saying the new design sucks. It will keep him from getting to the promised land where we mix businesses and people.

Here’s what really is hanging out there for Facebook if Zuckerberg doesn’t listen: billions. Maybe even trillions.

Look at what we just announced to the world:

Maryam has an announcement!

Yes, we’re having another baby. But look at what did NOT happen on Twitter: not a single diaper company contacted us yet. Not a single maternity clothing company. Not a single car company (yes, we’re going to buy a new one soon). Not a single camera company (already bought a new one for this occassion). Not a single insurance company (I need more). Not a single bank (I need to start saving for another college student). Not a single stroller company (need a new one that can hold two). Not a single vitamin company (Maryam is going through her prenatal vitamins at a good clip). Not a single shoe company (Maryam needs new shoes for pregnancy, and Milan is growing fast too).

That will NOT last.

Imagine we’re on Facebook in a year. Now all of a sudden I can search for all these things and see which items and companies have gotten the most “likes.” Now do you get why Facebook is copying friendfeed?

Zuckerberg is not listening to you because you don’t get how Facebook is going to make billions.

Zuckerberg is right. He shouldn’t start listening to his users now.

  • http://twitter.com/socialmedia411 Jeff

    BTW, obviously should be “Facebook is FIGHTING the wrong battle here.” in my post. Thanks in advance for the edit if at all possible Robert!

  • http://twitter.com/socialmedia411 Jeff

    BTW, obviously should be “Facebook is FIGHTING the wrong battle here.” in my post. Thanks in advance for the edit if at all possible Robert!

  • Mantis

    Agreed with the Sushi example. Point well taken and it makes sense.
    But I woke up yesterday morning, and my homepage was completely covered with quiz results taken by my friends, ranging from “What animal are you?” or “what is your true age?” or “When are you going to die?”
    Now tell me, not giving a user an option to disable these idiotic spammy messages is what is driving me crazy. I have no control over the feeds I want to receive. I can’t disable recieving quiz notifications….i have to completely take the person off my friends list or mute him for ever to get away from the annoyances.
    True, no one prolly knows how to run a company better than Zuckerberg…but for all you know, Zuckerberg must prolly be on facebook for just 2 mins in a day. So he really should start thinking about what people want.

    To sum up what I am saying…i quote my friend oon his status.

    “This is an open warning….if anyone takes any more frikkin quizzes….he/she is off my list….and I mean it….HOW do i make this stop? Gack!”

  • Mantis

    Agreed with the Sushi example. Point well taken and it makes sense.
    But I woke up yesterday morning, and my homepage was completely covered with quiz results taken by my friends, ranging from “What animal are you?” or “what is your true age?” or “When are you going to die?”
    Now tell me, not giving a user an option to disable these idiotic spammy messages is what is driving me crazy. I have no control over the feeds I want to receive. I can’t disable recieving quiz notifications….i have to completely take the person off my friends list or mute him for ever to get away from the annoyances.
    True, no one prolly knows how to run a company better than Zuckerberg…but for all you know, Zuckerberg must prolly be on facebook for just 2 mins in a day. So he really should start thinking about what people want.

    To sum up what I am saying…i quote my friend oon his status.

    “This is an open warning….if anyone takes any more frikkin quizzes….he/she is off my list….and I mean it….HOW do i make this stop? Gack!”

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  • http://twitter.com/ericatkins Eric Atkins

    FB users _hated_ the news feed when it was introduced. They hated the beta layout that eventually went live. And now the same users are complaining about a minor change to the way the news feed operates.

    They’ll get over it after they see how awesome it is.

  • http://twitter.com/ericatkins Eric Atkins

    FB users _hated_ the news feed when it was introduced. They hated the beta layout that eventually went live. And now the same users are complaining about a minor change to the way the news feed operates.

    They’ll get over it after they see how awesome it is.

  • http://dapoetsrevenge.wordpress.com/ Dabir Dalton

    Robert advertising is indeed spam which is why I have a DVR that allows me to skip over the commercials, throw away all of the junk mail I receive and keep the spam filter on my email set no lower then medium…Indeed IMHO Face Book, My Space and Twitter are all scams aimed at getting their users personal information for free that will then be sold to other companies who will then invade the users of FB, MS and T’s privacy in order to sell them an overpriced product they do not need…

  • http://dapoetsrevenge.wordpress.com Dabir Dalton

    Robert advertising is indeed spam which is why I have a DVR that allows me to skip over the commercials, throw away all of the junk mail I receive and keep the spam filter on my email set no lower then medium…Indeed IMHO Face Book, My Space and Twitter are all scams aimed at getting their users personal information for free that will then be sold to other companies who will then invade the users of FB, MS and T’s privacy in order to sell them an overpriced product they do not need…

  • http://www.daviddalka.com/ David Dalka

    Interesting post – thought provoking – but I’d have two areas I’d like some clarification…
    You stated: “He saw that Twitter was going to make a crapload of money”

    I ask: Exactly how?

    You stated: “Facebook, at this point, is growing 200,000 to 700,000 users per day.”

    I ask: That’s a wide window that doesn’t ‘feel right’, can you state your source (or can someone from Facebook tell us users, active users and new users per day?)

  • http://www.daviddalka.com/ David Dalka

    Interesting post – thought provoking – but I’d have two areas I’d like some clarification…
    You stated: “He saw that Twitter was going to make a crapload of money”

    I ask: Exactly how?

    You stated: “Facebook, at this point, is growing 200,000 to 700,000 users per day.”

    I ask: That’s a wide window that doesn’t ‘feel right’, can you state your source (or can someone from Facebook tell us users, active users and new users per day?)

  • Squirrelyfoo

    i’d be fine if the new coding didn’t make it so darn slow. :/

  • Squirrelyfoo

    i’d be fine if the new coding didn’t make it so darn slow. :/

  • http://www.thepomoblog.com/ Terry Heaton

    Sorry, Robert, but I’m already growing weary of Facebook. The more Mark forces his will, the less excited I get. Perhaps it’s my inner dinosaur, eh? I’m SUCH an old fart.

  • http://www.thepomoblog.com Terry Heaton

    Sorry, Robert, but I’m already growing weary of Facebook. The more Mark forces his will, the less excited I get. Perhaps it’s my inner dinosaur, eh? I’m SUCH an old fart.

  • http://atanas.wordpress.com/ atanas

    Right on.

  • http://atanas.wordpress.com/ atanas

    Right on.

  • http://taylormarek.com/ Taylor Marek

    Robert, for one I agree with you on this.

    This post hits the nail on the head, thanks for delving into this topic, I enjoyed reading every bit. :)

  • http://www.taylormarek.com Taylor Marek

    Robert, for one I agree with you on this.

    This post hits the nail on the head, thanks for delving into this topic, I enjoyed reading every bit. :)

  • http://metaldetectorsonsale.com/ Taylor Marek

    Robert, for one I agree with you on this.

    This post hits the nail on the head, thanks for delving into this topic, I enjoyed reading every bit. :)
    Should say great post! Looking forward to seeing your next post!

  • http://metaldetectorsonsale.com/ Taylor Marek

    Robert, for one I agree with you on this.

    This post hits the nail on the head, thanks for delving into this topic, I enjoyed reading every bit. :)
    Should say great post! Looking forward to seeing your next post!

  • http://www.stellarvisions.com/ ste!!a

    Facebook can do whatever it wants. I don’t care. I use to look at it all day long. Not anymore. Its like hanging out in times square at night. Just too much of everything.

  • http://www.stellarvisions.com ste!!a

    Facebook can do whatever it wants. I don’t care. I use to look at it all day long. Not anymore. Its like hanging out in times square at night. Just too much of everything.

  • http://deadnode.org/ James Sutherland

    It’s not that simple, Peter. Just over a year ago, I happened to find a really good Thai restaurant somewhere in London. I’d recommend it to anyone who asked – but I live 500 miles away. A bunch of my Facebook friends live in London, too. Now, supposing a friend of mine (and theirs) from LA visits London and wants good Thai food: which of us would she ask? She probably wouldn’t think to ask me explicitly, but if she could search her friends network for Thai restaurants in London, up it comes.

    That’s the real strength of a good search system. If I know I can get a good answer to my programming question from Raymond Chen’s well-known blog, I don’t need Google: I can just go straight to his blog. The value is in Google’s ability to find something I didn’t already know about: perhaps the guy who wrote that part of the filesystem just started blogging and mentioned the same problem I’m having as being an obscure bug they’ve just fixed, or that you have to use some unexpected flag to get the results I need. I don’t know beforehand to check this guy’s blog to find the answer I need – but Google does.

    I’ve posted online in the past about problems with various services, vacation plans etc – I’ve had ‘manual’ replies both from some friends and occasionally from relevant companies (the one I’m complaining about, and/or rivals reminding me they offer better). I actually like that, and would be happy to get automated versions too: automatically flagging up which services my friends had liked, or had problems with. There’s a world of difference between spam and relevant ads being inserted in a system where ads are to be expected!

  • http://deadnode.org/ James Sutherland

    It’s not that simple, Peter. Just over a year ago, I happened to find a really good Thai restaurant somewhere in London. I’d recommend it to anyone who asked – but I live 500 miles away. A bunch of my Facebook friends live in London, too. Now, supposing a friend of mine (and theirs) from LA visits London and wants good Thai food: which of us would she ask? She probably wouldn’t think to ask me explicitly, but if she could search her friends network for Thai restaurants in London, up it comes.

    That’s the real strength of a good search system. If I know I can get a good answer to my programming question from Raymond Chen’s well-known blog, I don’t need Google: I can just go straight to his blog. The value is in Google’s ability to find something I didn’t already know about: perhaps the guy who wrote that part of the filesystem just started blogging and mentioned the same problem I’m having as being an obscure bug they’ve just fixed, or that you have to use some unexpected flag to get the results I need. I don’t know beforehand to check this guy’s blog to find the answer I need – but Google does.

    I’ve posted online in the past about problems with various services, vacation plans etc – I’ve had ‘manual’ replies both from some friends and occasionally from relevant companies (the one I’m complaining about, and/or rivals reminding me they offer better). I actually like that, and would be happy to get automated versions too: automatically flagging up which services my friends had liked, or had problems with. There’s a world of difference between spam and relevant ads being inserted in a system where ads are to be expected!

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  • http://themotley.wordpress.com/ marcflores

    I guess Zuckerberg shouldn’t have listened to the masses when they all complained about copyrights, right? Zuckerberg is right. Facebook should be able to use content and photos as they please even when a user deletes his or her account. Yeah, Zuckerberg should just do whatever he wants without having to listen to anyone.

  • http://themotley.wordpress.com marcflores

    I guess Zuckerberg shouldn’t have listened to the masses when they all complained about copyrights, right? Zuckerberg is right. Facebook should be able to use content and photos as they please even when a user deletes his or her account. Yeah, Zuckerberg should just do whatever he wants without having to listen to anyone.

  • Eric Eggertson

    Congrats to you, Maryam and the kids!

  • Eric Eggertson

    Congrats to you, Maryam and the kids!

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  • http://dodyjane.blogspot.com/ Dody Jane

    I have liked each new incarnation – maybe I am weird – people will get used to the new FB – it isn’t THAT much of a change!!!

  • http://dodyjane.blogspot.com Dody Jane

    I have liked each new incarnation – maybe I am weird – people will get used to the new FB – it isn’t THAT much of a change!!!

  • rhea

    FB is like high school; it’s exclusive, you’ve got to have the right friends, join the right groups, etc. Twitter is way more friendly and open to everyone; there’s less false ‘friending’ and everyone is aware that it’s a site to share information to anyone and everyone. I used to check FB repeatedly, recently though I hardly noticed the most changes because of Twitter; I basically check on family updates only. I’m aware of the advertisers on Twitter, I get to choose who I follow and unfollow at a drop of the hat, and I never am encouraged to let everyone know what my relationship status is. Twitter is way more entertaining and less annoying because I know up front what I’ve gotten myself into.

    As I’m in the middle of reading buy•ology, I’m growing more aware of how much a waste all this advertising effort is anyways.

    BTW, I read this article as a direct result of Twitter, not FB.

  • rhea

    FB is like high school; it’s exclusive, you’ve got to have the right friends, join the right groups, etc. Twitter is way more friendly and open to everyone; there’s less false ‘friending’ and everyone is aware that it’s a site to share information to anyone and everyone. I used to check FB repeatedly, recently though I hardly noticed the most changes because of Twitter; I basically check on family updates only. I’m aware of the advertisers on Twitter, I get to choose who I follow and unfollow at a drop of the hat, and I never am encouraged to let everyone know what my relationship status is. Twitter is way more entertaining and less annoying because I know up front what I’ve gotten myself into.

    As I’m in the middle of reading buy•ology, I’m growing more aware of how much a waste all this advertising effort is anyways.

    BTW, I read this article as a direct result of Twitter, not FB.

  • http://www.rajtilak.net/ Rajtilak Bhattacharjee

    Well, Facebook never made sense before, it does not make much sense now. So why make a fuss over the new design! Instead let’s start throwing some sheeps man!

  • http://www.rajtilak.net Rajtilak Bhattacharjee

    Well, Facebook never made sense before, it does not make much sense now. So why make a fuss over the new design! Instead let’s start throwing some sheeps man!

  • http://buhlerworks.com/wordpress JEBworks

    Right on target. There’s a difference between listening to customers to improve some feature or service, e.g. a hotel reading guest reviews an acting on them, or have them run your business. As an innovator you have to lead and present products or services that people don’t even realize they need or want. Like that intro quote about Porsche.

    Quick: What’s the name of another very successful guy who didn’t listen to customers and has introduced great products everyone seems to crave? Yes, Steve Jobs.

  • http://buhlerworks.com/wordpress Joe Buhler

    Right on target. There’s a difference between listening to customers to improve some feature or service, e.g. a hotel reading guest reviews an acting on them, or have them run your business. As an innovator you have to lead and present products or services that people don’t even realize they need or want. Like that intro quote about Porsche.

    Quick: What’s the name of another very successful guy who didn’t listen to customers and has introduced great products everyone seems to crave? Yes, Steve Jobs.

  • Mezlove

    I didn’t read all these posts, so I don’t know if this is covered, but people railing about advertising being inherently bad miss the point that advertising usually funds their entertainment and their news. Local print news advertising has recently proved less valuable, and it’s killing print media. We’ll only get to continue using Facebook or Twitter for free if they figure out a way to make the advertising valuable. The more targeted the advertising, the greater the value. So getting advertising tailored to your needs facebook should be welcomed. It means your favorite online application can survive, and it might be serving you up relevant advertising. My facebook account lists me as a married atheist, but I still get advertising for Christian Singles on Facebook. WTF? Where’s the value in that. Soon will be gone the days of finding advertising for a local shoe sale in your local paper. You’ll find it when it finds you online. Kudos Scoble. Great points.

  • Mezlove

    I didn’t read all these posts, so I don’t know if this is covered, but people railing about advertising being inherently bad miss the point that advertising usually funds their entertainment and their news. Local print news advertising has recently proved less valuable, and it’s killing print media. We’ll only get to continue using Facebook or Twitter for free if they figure out a way to make the advertising valuable. The more targeted the advertising, the greater the value. So getting advertising tailored to your needs facebook should be welcomed. It means your favorite online application can survive, and it might be serving you up relevant advertising. My facebook account lists me as a married atheist, but I still get advertising for Christian Singles on Facebook. WTF? Where’s the value in that. Soon will be gone the days of finding advertising for a local shoe sale in your local paper. You’ll find it when it finds you online. Kudos Scoble. Great points.

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  • http://www.toadstoolblog.com/ Alan Wolk

    Can you explain why you would welcome marketing material from car companies when you can easily research cars yourself on a variety of websites, getting peer reviews from everyone from car geeks to soccer moms.

    I refer to this as The Real Digital Revolution and it changes the way we relate to advertising: advertising created an image, which puts a brand in our consideration set when we go to Google. So that whereas in years past, we relied solely on advertising to learn about things like cars, now we rely on our fellow consumers.

    That’s a critical distinction though: targeted messaging is a direct response vehicles; brand advertising is done to create/change perception: Volvo is safe, BMW is well-engineered, etc. But a quick trip to Google will tell you if that is true or not.

    Your argument is valid if the advertising sent through is value-based, e.g. Volvo says, “congratulations on the new baby, Mr. & Mrs. Scoble, here’s a special deal to give you 20% off a 3 year lease.” If you’d been on the fence, that might sway you over to Volvo’s side. That’s where targeted FB messaging can work.

  • http://www.toadstoolblog.com Alan Wolk

    Can you explain why you would welcome marketing material from car companies when you can easily research cars yourself on a variety of websites, getting peer reviews from everyone from car geeks to soccer moms.

    I refer to this as The Real Digital Revolution and it changes the way we relate to advertising: advertising created an image, which puts a brand in our consideration set when we go to Google. So that whereas in years past, we relied solely on advertising to learn about things like cars, now we rely on our fellow consumers.

    That’s a critical distinction though: targeted messaging is a direct response vehicles; brand advertising is done to create/change perception: Volvo is safe, BMW is well-engineered, etc. But a quick trip to Google will tell you if that is true or not.

    Your argument is valid if the advertising sent through is value-based, e.g. Volvo says, “congratulations on the new baby, Mr. & Mrs. Scoble, here’s a special deal to give you 20% off a 3 year lease.” If you’d been on the fence, that might sway you over to Volvo’s side. That’s where targeted FB messaging can work.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/ michael arrington

    there’s that saying: what’s a camel? it’s a horse designed by committee.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com michael arrington

    there’s that saying: what’s a camel? it’s a horse designed by committee.

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  • shockers

    This is one of your better thought out and articulated Blogs.

    Well done.

    It’s also worth commenting on the fact that Facebook tried to acquire Twitter. That is a sign of confidence and dominance.

    Twitter might be limited in how it can scale. Facebook is not. So, Facebook, it’s leadership – and, usefulness as a social and business tool is more absolute.

    Cork

  • shockers

    This is one of your better thought out and articulated Blogs.

    Well done.

    It’s also worth commenting on the fact that Facebook tried to acquire Twitter. That is a sign of confidence and dominance.

    Twitter might be limited in how it can scale. Facebook is not. So, Facebook, it’s leadership – and, usefulness as a social and business tool is more absolute.

    Cork