Does Palm Pre have a chance against iPhone? IMO: No, but it probably doesn't matter

At CES the product I was most excited by was the Palm Pre. After all, they had hired a bunch of people from Apple and it went further than the iPhone in many places. It had a keyboard. It has an OS that let you run multiple applications at the same time (something the iPhone doesn’t do) and did copy and paste. The OS seemed even better thought out than the iPhone was. Contacts collected data from Facebook and other social networks.

It looked like it would win in the marketplace.

But now it’s March and the tides are changing.

First, last week Apple came out with a set of APIs for the iPhone that many people missed because they were drinking at SXSW. More on those in a second.

But today stuff is leaking about a new iPhone that’s coming out.

Now I’m starting to doubt whether Palm can make it. I’m not the only one.

Lots of iPhones at iPhoneDevCamp

It’s shocking, actually, how well Apple has done with developers. Remember, I was at the first iPhone Dev Camp (included here is a picture of those who attended the first Dev Camp). Apple didn’t show up (a couple of employees did, but they weren’t even allowed to acknowledge that they worked at Apple). How did they turn developers onto the iPhone?

1. Apple sold more than 10 million phones.
2. The experience of using the iPhone got geeks excited. So excited that they put together their own DevCamps even though Apple was pretty clueless.
3. Apple turned on a store that let lots of developers build businesses that are rocking and rolling. Success pulls in even more developers.
4. Now Apple is throwing marketing dollars behind developers. I’ve seen tons of TV ads that Apple’s done. I’ve seen cool Apple ads on the web. The whole front of Apple stores right now features apps.
5. The new OS, coming this summer, lets developers do even more with their iPhones. Pandora’s CTO, Tom Conrad, talked with me at SXSW last week and he was drooling over some of the kinds of things he’s going to be able to build for the new OS and that was before he heard the rumors of the new iPhone.

Can Palm compete with this? If they do, I’ll be the most shocked blogger out there.

I think the bigger question is can Palm get enough hype to push it into a second place status and tear away market share from RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia. The answer to that one is yes.

Why? Because the Palm Pre is so much better than any other phone other than the iPhone. (The Palm is better than the iPhone, actually, but only if you don’t consider all the apps that are being built for the iPhone and only if you don’t consider the new 3.0 stuff that Apple announced last week).

I bet this is the strategy that Palm’s going for. They know not everyone will go for an iPhone. Some people hate Apple (yes, it’s true). Some can’t stand the touch keyboard. Still others still like Palm or just want to use Sprint instead of AT&T.

So, I don’t think there’s any way for Palm to really tear much market share away from the iPhone, but they can do a pretty nice business going after everyone else.

Either way, if I worked at Nokia, Microsoft, or RIM, I’d be working extra hard to figure out how to deal with Apple and Palm. They are going to make 2010 really rough for other cell phone manufacturers if things stay the way they are.

The fun thing about this industry is that in a few months everything can change in a couple of months. Hang onto your seats.

UPDATE: @ian_Wright asked “Do you think Android has a chance?” Yes, definitely. But they are fighting over #2 space too. It looks like Apple isn’t stumbling with developers like it did in the early 1990s with the Macintosh, so it’s going to be very difficult for Android to get mindshare over the iPhone. But Android can easily compete with Palm. Losers here? Nokia, RIM, and Motorola.

Also, @whurley points out that two members of the original iPhoneDevCrew have already put together http://predevcamp.org and it will be in more than 60 cities.

Comments

  1. As good as the Pre might be, I don’t think I can leave the iPhone because I’ve become locked in and dependent on the applications. Second-place? Sure–they’ll have success there. But Apple will remain the 800 pound gorilla and won’t be too worried about Palm.

  2. As good as the Pre might be, I don’t think I can leave the iPhone because I’ve become locked in and dependent on the applications. Second-place? Sure–they’ll have success there. But Apple will remain the 800 pound gorilla and won’t be too worried about Palm.

  3. Well said. IPhone is more than a phone. It is now a social statement. Nobody says ‘Wow is that a Nokia?’

    Some people (me included) would use the phone less frequently than many other apps that are on it.

    @kdaly100 – Twitter

  4. Well said. IPhone is more than a phone. It is now a social statement. Nobody says ‘Wow is that a Nokia?’

    Some people (me included) would use the phone less frequently than many other apps that are on it.

    @kdaly100 – Twitter

  5. Even if the Pre doesn’t touch the iPhone’s market share, there is plenty of share to grab from RIM, Nokia, WinMo, and the feature phone market. Apple has only sold 17 million of the 1+ billion handsets out there. Also, the Pre won’t be exclusive to Sprint for very long. Then it will be on Verizon and GSM carriers around the globe.

  6. Maybe it’s just me, but I wish that Palm would stop trying to create the “iPhone Killer” and start creating something exciting and new (like Apple did when they created the iPhone in the first place). Palm seems to have lost its way since they bought Handspring and created the overblown Treo (then dumped the Palm OS, which I, for one, really loved).

    Just sayin’.

  7. Even if the Pre doesn’t touch the iPhone’s market share, there is plenty of share to grab from RIM, Nokia, WinMo, and the feature phone market. Apple has only sold 17 million of the 1+ billion handsets out there. Also, the Pre won’t be exclusive to Sprint for very long. Then it will be on Verizon and GSM carriers around the globe.

  8. Maybe it’s just me, but I wish that Palm would stop trying to create the “iPhone Killer” and start creating something exciting and new (like Apple did when they created the iPhone in the first place). Palm seems to have lost its way since they bought Handspring and created the overblown Treo (then dumped the Palm OS, which I, for one, really loved).

    Just sayin’.

  9. The new Palm Pre still has me very excited as a Sprint Customer, I am looking forward to dumping my dumb phones and going to the Pre. I am an iPhone owner and while I do like it and the apps are fantastic I think I am going to have the service taken off it and will use it more like a touch once I have the pre. I was lucky and setup my iPhone as a pay as you go so I can cancel it at anytime.

    The Pre on the other hand has something that the iPhone doesn’t which is WebOS. Whats really neat about WebOS is that I can use Javascript, HTML and CSS to build the app and not have to learn objective C. While Objective C may have a larger API I have a feeling that the DOM that the Pre is going to use is going to be much deeper than your web browser.

    Theoretically I could write my app in JS and html then use PhoneGap to publish it to Blackberry, Android and iPhone and go native on the Pre with only 1 code base. This is very attractive to me.

    I have done a bit of Development on the iPhone, and Apple did a good job on the SDK, and Palm has to do as good of job or you will be right that there won’t be the applications developed for the platform. I have also done some development for the Blackberry and I do have to say the blackberry SDK is one of the worst I have ever used. If Palm puts out as good or better SDK than apple then watch all the Javascript and Web guys out there start building apps that really push the limits of the phone!

    I don’t see the iPhone being killed by the Pre but I do see them both competing well in the mobile space. The other big X factor the Pre has is Flash. Many iPhone developers are low level CS and C guys that are very good at what they do, I can see a whole untapped market of developers for the Pre with all of the Javascript and Actionscript coders out there building really limit pushing stuff.

  10. The new Palm Pre still has me very excited as a Sprint Customer, I am looking forward to dumping my dumb phones and going to the Pre. I am an iPhone owner and while I do like it and the apps are fantastic I think I am going to have the service taken off it and will use it more like a touch once I have the pre. I was lucky and setup my iPhone as a pay as you go so I can cancel it at anytime.

    The Pre on the other hand has something that the iPhone doesn’t which is WebOS. Whats really neat about WebOS is that I can use Javascript, HTML and CSS to build the app and not have to learn objective C. While Objective C may have a larger API I have a feeling that the DOM that the Pre is going to use is going to be much deeper than your web browser.

    Theoretically I could write my app in JS and html then use PhoneGap to publish it to Blackberry, Android and iPhone and go native on the Pre with only 1 code base. This is very attractive to me.

    I have done a bit of Development on the iPhone, and Apple did a good job on the SDK, and Palm has to do as good of job or you will be right that there won’t be the applications developed for the platform. I have also done some development for the Blackberry and I do have to say the blackberry SDK is one of the worst I have ever used. If Palm puts out as good or better SDK than apple then watch all the Javascript and Web guys out there start building apps that really push the limits of the phone!

    I don’t see the iPhone being killed by the Pre but I do see them both competing well in the mobile space. The other big X factor the Pre has is Flash. Many iPhone developers are low level CS and C guys that are very good at what they do, I can see a whole untapped market of developers for the Pre with all of the Javascript and Actionscript coders out there building really limit pushing stuff.

  11. Scoble wrote: “But Android can easily compete with Palm. Losers here? Nokia, RIM, and Motorola.”

    What about Microsoft???
    Can’t mention Microsoft in this list of probable losers, can you Scoble?
    That would be bad for Bobby.

  12. Scoble wrote: “But Android can easily compete with Palm. Losers here? Nokia, RIM, and Motorola.”

    What about Microsoft???
    Can’t mention Microsoft in this list of probable losers, can you Scoble?
    That would be bad for Bobby.

  13. Palm doesn’t need to beat Apple. There is plenty of space for them to maneuver. The biggest thing they need to overcome, though, is themselves. Palm did a terrible job deploying the Treos, and many vendors, businesses and users are not willing to take a second chance. They must make a rock-solid device, with good call quality and 3G/WiFi capability. This, Pre or otherwise, must not crap out regularly and require extensive manpower to maintain.

    Palm should review their history. They truly changed the PDA game when they released the III. A solid, basic and affordable device that many become devoted to.

    If they try to compete with Apple, they will lose. They, like Lalita said, need to focus on execution. When they have a complete and cost-competitive device, they’ll make the sales they need.

  14. Palm doesn’t need to beat Apple. There is plenty of space for them to maneuver. The biggest thing they need to overcome, though, is themselves. Palm did a terrible job deploying the Treos, and many vendors, businesses and users are not willing to take a second chance. They must make a rock-solid device, with good call quality and 3G/WiFi capability. This, Pre or otherwise, must not crap out regularly and require extensive manpower to maintain.

    Palm should review their history. They truly changed the PDA game when they released the III. A solid, basic and affordable device that many become devoted to.

    If they try to compete with Apple, they will lose. They, like Lalita said, need to focus on execution. When they have a complete and cost-competitive device, they’ll make the sales they need.

  15. @Lalita: I was fond of the Palm OS, too. I haven’t bothered to check out the latest one, though (other than a few minutes messing with it at some kiosk).

    @Zato: Good point: Windows is a big question here. No one’s talking about them much, but they are still developing the OS. However, M$ hasn’t been too good at the blast into a market and take over tactic. There are things I like about Windows mobile, but I’m not sure where it will land in this market.

  16. @Lalita: I was fond of the Palm OS, too. I haven’t bothered to check out the latest one, though (other than a few minutes messing with it at some kiosk).

    @Zato: Good point: Windows is a big question here. No one’s talking about them much, but they are still developing the OS. However, M$ hasn’t been too good at the blast into a market and take over tactic. There are things I like about Windows mobile, but I’m not sure where it will land in this market.

  17. I want an Iphone and will probably get one in May when my Alltel/Verizon contract expires. My only concern is AT&T. I really hate leaving a CDMA network. Even though my Razor is a POC, I love hooking it up to the laptop and getting those EVDO speeds. Is everyone satisfied with their AT&T service? My mom’s on AT&T and it like breaks up when she’s in the garage and stuff. My CDMA is so crystal clear everywhere. Also, I wonder when new hardware is coming out. If a new Iphone is coming in the summer, I’d best wait for it.
    How or can I get this comment and others to push to FriendFeed? My blog is on WordPress.

  18. I want an Iphone and will probably get one in May when my Alltel/Verizon contract expires. My only concern is AT&T. I really hate leaving a CDMA network. Even though my Razor is a POC, I love hooking it up to the laptop and getting those EVDO speeds. Is everyone satisfied with their AT&T service? My mom’s on AT&T and it like breaks up when she’s in the garage and stuff. My CDMA is so crystal clear everywhere. Also, I wonder when new hardware is coming out. If a new Iphone is coming in the summer, I’d best wait for it.
    How or can I get this comment and others to push to FriendFeed? My blog is on WordPress.

  19. Everywhere I look I see BREWified LG and Samsungs…strange that they never get mentioned…ENV2 and Voyagers everywhere.

    iPhone is great, just not as an actual Phone (double the horrrible AT&T), iPod touch is really where its better suited, but make it tad larger, like an Archos of sorts, wifi machine, Skype if need be. But I’m a texter, massive words a minute, so iPhone doesn’t make the cut, QWERTY or nothing. Tho I would kill to have a hardkeyboarded Dvorak mobile phone, heh. But the market for that is in single digits.

    Palm is doomed. But the medical, aerospace, and inventory sub-markets are going to be using Garnet until the sun goes supernova.

  20. Everywhere I look I see BREWified LG and Samsungs…strange that they never get mentioned…ENV2 and Voyagers everywhere.

    iPhone is great, just not as an actual Phone (double the horrrible AT&T), iPod touch is really where its better suited, but make it tad larger, like an Archos of sorts, wifi machine, Skype if need be. But I’m a texter, massive words a minute, so iPhone doesn’t make the cut, QWERTY or nothing. Tho I would kill to have a hardkeyboarded Dvorak mobile phone, heh. But the market for that is in single digits.

    Palm is doomed. But the medical, aerospace, and inventory sub-markets are going to be using Garnet until the sun goes supernova.

  21. I would bet that one of the other mobile manufactures are looking to eat Palm in order to catch up and deliver something like the iphone. It might be Palms master plan to get acquired.

  22. I would bet that one of the other mobile manufactures are looking to eat Palm in order to catch up and deliver something like the iphone. It might be Palms master plan to get acquired.

  23. I was a late comer to the iPhone and TBH wasn’t that impressed. I missed the tactile input of my blackberry and in general the iPhone is a crappy phone. Since then I’ve greatly enjoyed all the non-phone features, but still to this day I miss being able to hold my finger over a button and then push it at will without looking. I’m looking forward to the Pre namely for the buttons on the side and a different take on the mobile OS.

  24. I was a late comer to the iPhone and TBH wasn’t that impressed. I missed the tactile input of my blackberry and in general the iPhone is a crappy phone. Since then I’ve greatly enjoyed all the non-phone features, but still to this day I miss being able to hold my finger over a button and then push it at will without looking. I’m looking forward to the Pre namely for the buttons on the side and a different take on the mobile OS.

  25. Again Scoble not doing research..

    Have you talked to iPhonedevelopers lately?

    Tides changing devlopers are witching to Android from iPhone dev..

  26. Again Scoble not doing research..

    Have you talked to iPhonedevelopers lately?

    Tides changing devlopers are witching to Android from iPhone dev..

  27. The Pre doesn’t need to beat the iPhone. They just need it to be a solid device that is competitive. If memory serves me right, Apple was only going for 2% market share when they announced the iPhone. They far exceeded it, but it goes to show you that you don’t need 10% market share to be successful in the mobile world.

    WILL the Pre beat the iPhone? No. While Palm has a solid community, it’s NOTHING like the iClique. Unfortunately, the media and internet communities compare EVERY device to their beloved iPhone now. Create a toaster oven? Is it as good as an iPhone? No (bury device to the scrap heap of history). The iPhone is a great and game changing device, but it’s a pain that everything gets compared to it. Seriously… it’s not going to be the quality of the device that’ll kill Palm, it’ll be the public’s response to the “iPhone killer” chatter.

  28. The Pre doesn’t need to beat the iPhone. They just need it to be a solid device that is competitive. If memory serves me right, Apple was only going for 2% market share when they announced the iPhone. They far exceeded it, but it goes to show you that you don’t need 10% market share to be successful in the mobile world.

    WILL the Pre beat the iPhone? No. While Palm has a solid community, it’s NOTHING like the iClique. Unfortunately, the media and internet communities compare EVERY device to their beloved iPhone now. Create a toaster oven? Is it as good as an iPhone? No (bury device to the scrap heap of history). The iPhone is a great and game changing device, but it’s a pain that everything gets compared to it. Seriously… it’s not going to be the quality of the device that’ll kill Palm, it’ll be the public’s response to the “iPhone killer” chatter.

  29. <>

    Then: I was an Apple developer in the early 90s.
    Now: I just released an iPhone app last week (the Creative Whack Pack: http://tinyurl.com/whackpack )

    The difference is like “night” and “day.” Seventeen years ago, Apple was distant, arrogant, and not particularly interested in my success.
    Developing for the iPhone has been really easy. They want me to sell product. Plus, I don’t have to worry about distribution and fulfillment.

    The App Store (from a developer’s perspective) is a dream. I can change the price and marketing copy whenever I wish. Each morning I can a breakdown — country by country — of the previous day’s sales.

  30. <>

    Then: I was an Apple developer in the early 90s.
    Now: I just released an iPhone app last week (the Creative Whack Pack: http://tinyurl.com/whackpack )

    The difference is like “night” and “day.” Seventeen years ago, Apple was distant, arrogant, and not particularly interested in my success.
    Developing for the iPhone has been really easy. They want me to sell product. Plus, I don’t have to worry about distribution and fulfillment.

    The App Store (from a developer’s perspective) is a dream. I can change the price and marketing copy whenever I wish. Each morning I can a breakdown — country by country — of the previous day’s sales.

  31. [...] Scobleizer: Technology, innovation, and geek enthusiasm » Blog Archive Does Palm Pre have a chance … At CES the product I was most excited by was the Palm Pre. After all, they had hired a bunch of people from Apple and it went further than the iPhone in many places. It had a keyboard. It has an OS that let you run multiple applications at the same time (something the iPhone doesn’t do) and did copy and paste. The OS seemed even better thought out than the iPhone was. Contacts collected data from Facebook and other social networks. (tags: apple Palm iphone pre) [...]

  32. If you are comparing the Pre to the iPhone, it has to be the full iPhone package including the apps and the 3.0 features. Both are future products, so that’sonly fair.

    Second, to the guy considering switching and woindering about AT&T: from a business perspective, I think they’ve been great. None of the billing games and unexpected charges I used to get from Sprint. From a service perspective – crappy. Calls get dropped all the time. As in multiple times a day.

    I have an old 2G iPhone, and love it. Won’t likely change vendors for at least another generation or two (plan to buy a new iPhone this summer), and then the new device would have to be leaps and bounds ahead. I’m no Applephile, but I have to say they sure know product design.

  33. If you are comparing the Pre to the iPhone, it has to be the full iPhone package including the apps and the 3.0 features. Both are future products, so that’sonly fair.

    Second, to the guy considering switching and woindering about AT&T: from a business perspective, I think they’ve been great. None of the billing games and unexpected charges I used to get from Sprint. From a service perspective – crappy. Calls get dropped all the time. As in multiple times a day.

    I have an old 2G iPhone, and love it. Won’t likely change vendors for at least another generation or two (plan to buy a new iPhone this summer), and then the new device would have to be leaps and bounds ahead. I’m no Applephile, but I have to say they sure know product design.

  34. Pre’s OS isn’t out yet. Almost nobody has even held the device.

    On what basis can anyone claim Palm will do well (or not) without
    Knowing how well Pre works?

    The best indicator is Android. Success there had been way way
    Below hype and expectations.

    Don’t think Palm will survive independent.

  35. Pre’s OS isn’t out yet. Almost nobody has even held the device.

    On what basis can anyone claim Palm will do well (or not) without
    Knowing how well Pre works?

    The best indicator is Android. Success there had been way way
    Below hype and expectations.

    Don’t think Palm will survive independent.

  36. I dont think the pre will stack up to the iphone not because of the actual phone, but because Apple has built a very large user base and has made quite a reputation for themselves that already automatically gave them a ton of sales even while missing HUGE key features (mms, video, cut and pase – fixed in 3.0)

  37. I dont think the pre will stack up to the iphone not because of the actual phone, but because Apple has built a very large user base and has made quite a reputation for themselves that already automatically gave them a ton of sales even while missing HUGE key features (mms, video, cut and pase – fixed in 3.0)

  38. Bah, sounds a lot like of mindless clamoring from the Apple fanboy camp to me. People that like or ‘liked’ Palm were not lured in by the iphone to begin with and will flock from other platforms. Then again there are those that are looking for any excuse to get away from Apple and ATT, that will potentially embrace the Pre. As for Palm taking share from Apple? Its not if, its how much and that is up to Palm and what they bring to the table.

  39. Bah, sounds a lot like of mindless clamoring from the Apple fanboy camp to me. People that like or ‘liked’ Palm were not lured in by the iphone to begin with and will flock from other platforms. Then again there are those that are looking for any excuse to get away from Apple and ATT, that will potentially embrace the Pre. As for Palm taking share from Apple? Its not if, its how much and that is up to Palm and what they bring to the table.

  40. people are hoping a lot from palm pre which is a good phone indeed…I can say this as I have seen its videos most of the time….I agree that in the coming years if Nokia does not do anything that it will only be able to sell very low end phones and nothing else.

  41. people are hoping a lot from palm pre which is a good phone indeed…I can say this as I have seen its videos most of the time….I agree that in the coming years if Nokia does not do anything that it will only be able to sell very low end phones and nothing else.

  42. Since iPhone launched, I’ve been an Apple convert. I’ve always prided myself on not being an Apple fan because to me, fans of Apple are in it for the coolness factor. This was until iPhone came out.

    Then, I read about Palm Pre. I was ecstatic – a mobile phone better than iPhone? Cool! But now, iPhone 3.0 just blew away the competition with its new features. And I’ll bet that by the the time it launches, Apple would have found a way to smoothen the app development process.

    I don’t have an iPhone (the lack of MMS & forwarding features stopped me from getting one) but now, I really want one…iPhone 3.0 to be exact!

    But we all know wants and needs are quite different. What I really need is not iPhone 3.0. What I really need is my whole life and home in the one device – family and friends, entertainment and info. Oh, and the bank too.

    Rather than aim to be an iPhone killer or compete with iPhone head-to-head, mobile device makers should take a leaf out of the Japanese and S.Korean markets. These guys know how to make a mobile device and they know how to make it super cool. Any wonder then that iPhone is a big flop in uber cool Japan?

    Think about a mobile device being an e-wallet and your key to the house. There’s no need for a wallet in one pocket, a mobile device in another and housekeys in the third. Life just got a whole lot lighter.

  43. Since iPhone launched, I’ve been an Apple convert. I’ve always prided myself on not being an Apple fan because to me, fans of Apple are in it for the coolness factor. This was until iPhone came out.

    Then, I read about Palm Pre. I was ecstatic – a mobile phone better than iPhone? Cool! But now, iPhone 3.0 just blew away the competition with its new features. And I’ll bet that by the the time it launches, Apple would have found a way to smoothen the app development process.

    I don’t have an iPhone (the lack of MMS & forwarding features stopped me from getting one) but now, I really want one…iPhone 3.0 to be exact!

    But we all know wants and needs are quite different. What I really need is not iPhone 3.0. What I really need is my whole life and home in the one device – family and friends, entertainment and info. Oh, and the bank too.

    Rather than aim to be an iPhone killer or compete with iPhone head-to-head, mobile device makers should take a leaf out of the Japanese and S.Korean markets. These guys know how to make a mobile device and they know how to make it super cool. Any wonder then that iPhone is a big flop in uber cool Japan?

    Think about a mobile device being an e-wallet and your key to the house. There’s no need for a wallet in one pocket, a mobile device in another and housekeys in the third. Life just got a whole lot lighter.

  44. [...] • Palm Pre: Out of Sight, Not Mind – People are still interested in the Pre, which still doesn’t have a launch date. Also Does Palm Pre have a chance against iPhone? IMO: No, but it probably doesn’t matter [...]

  45. Christopher Coulter Says:
    March 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Everywhere I look I see BREWified LG and Samsungs…strange that they never get mentioned…ENV2 and Voyagers everywhere.
    ————————————————————————

    I just LOVE the way Verizon cripples their phones with what they allow you do with them thanks to Brew. What a P.O.S. Brew is, and Verizon just sits back and watches while collecting their money.

  46. Christopher Coulter Says:
    March 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Everywhere I look I see BREWified LG and Samsungs…strange that they never get mentioned…ENV2 and Voyagers everywhere.
    ————————————————————————

    I just LOVE the way Verizon cripples their phones with what they allow you do with them thanks to Brew. What a P.O.S. Brew is, and Verizon just sits back and watches while collecting their money.

  47. When you think of phones, younger generatin doesn’t even bring up the palm. I think Palm missed the boat. They fell behind to much and I don’t think they will be able to pull themselves above water.

  48. When you think of phones, younger generatin doesn’t even bring up the palm. I think Palm missed the boat. They fell behind to much and I don’t think they will be able to pull themselves above water.

  49. what are you talkin about.of course the Pre has a chance against the iphone. as a matter of fact it is way better.it puts the crappy iphone to the dirt!!!!!!!!

  50. what are you talkin about.of course the Pre has a chance against the iphone. as a matter of fact it is way better.it puts the crappy iphone to the dirt!!!!!!!!

  51. sprint really betting big time with the pre, but they didn’t do so well with the instinct when spent $200 million on promoting it.

    Sprint is famous for spending big bucks on advertisements, but i seriously hope they will do well, at least folks at http://www.PalmPreForum.org spent sleepless nights try to find out the lastest and greatest info about the Pre!

  52. sprint really betting big time with the pre, but they didn’t do so well with the instinct when spent $200 million on promoting it.

    Sprint is famous for spending big bucks on advertisements, but i seriously hope they will do well, at least folks at http://www.PalmPreForum.org spent sleepless nights try to find out the lastest and greatest info about the Pre!

  53. I am and iphone user and it is the best phone belive it or not! I Hate apples guts!!! but one i used the iphone every thing was so nice and clean the look and design says it all plus like me just jail break you iphone and you can run apps in the back ground its so sweet

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