No apps, no sale: iPad 2 vs. Motorola Xoom vs RIM Playbook vs HP TouchPad

UPDATE: Over on Quora we’ve been discussing the iPad vs. Motorola Xoom in far more detail than here. You might want to read that post there, to get a more nuanced view of what the competition is really like.

So, now that I’ve seen the iPad 2, see my short video above, or go and watch all the videos over on Apple’s website or view the pages of content poured into blogs over on Techmeme.

iPad 2 Launch Photos

We now know what the choice is:

1. Apple iPad 2. Has apps. 65,000 of them.
2. Motorola Xoom. Has no apps. Oh, sorry. 16. At least no apps designed for the large format. Designing an app that works on a smart phone isn’t the same as designing one that works on a large screen. Most of the apps I’ve “stretched” really suck compared to their iPad equivalents.
3. HP TouchPad. Has no apps. Heck, it isn’t even shipping yet.
4. RIM PlayBook. Has no apps. Heck, it isn’t even shipping yet.

No apps, no sale.

iPad 2 Launch Photos

It really is that simple.

OK, OK, I know some of you think hardware matters. It doesn’t, but if it did, Apple’s hardware is nicer designed. Just look at the back of the new iPad. All one piece. The Xoom is two separate pieces. Think that doesn’t matter? Look at the back of my Motorola. It looks like crap already and it’s only two weeks old. Plus, the on/off button is in a weird place. I keep hitting it when trying to read on it in bed.

iPad 1 vs iPad 2

The screen resolution? It doesn’t matter if you don’t have any apps. Yeah, Motorola has 20% more resolution. Pull up a web browser. Does it matter? Not really. I can’t see the difference other than the screen is a little wider form factor than the iPad’s. That’s nice, but will it sell units? No. Apps matter more.

The sound capabilities? Those don’t matter if you don’t have any apps.

The battery life? Well Apple is better here than the Xoom or other devices. Battery life matters more to me and many others than a slight screen resolution increase.

What about HP’s TouchPad? I like it a lot. It’s nicer designed than the Motorola Xoom. It should be, it was designed by a few people who used to work for Steve Jobs at Apple. If the HP were out nine months ago it would have been a great device to buy and compare to the iPad. Their OS and multitasking metaphor really is awesome, albeit might be a bit slower here and there (we’ll see when we actually get one). A few major problems: 1. It isn’t shipping. Probably won’t be until June. 2. It has no apps. No apps no sale.

Move on to the RIM PlayBook. It didn’t score with users as well as the Motorola Xoom and it doesn’t have Google and its Android ecosystem behind it. So, I can’t see anyway that it will come in higher than #3. This means that developers won’t develop apps for it. No apps, no sale.

Anyone else out there? No.

So, how is this next year going to play out? Google needs to hit it out of the park at its iO event this spring and needs to convince developers that Android’s Tablet strategy matters. Google can easily consolidate the #2 space and next year they can eat away at Apple’s app lead.

It’s sad, too. I really like the hardware that HP, RIM, and Motorola, amongst others, have done. I just can’t recommend you buy any of those others.

No apps, no sale.

iPad wins big time.

iPad 1 (left) vs iPad 2

Oh, and if you disagree with me and think specs and speeds matter more than apps, go check out Engadget’s comparison chart.

UPDATE: the keynote of Steve Jobs showing off the iPad from this morning is now live.

About Robert Scoble

As Startup Liaison for Rackspace, the Open Cloud Computing Company, I travel the world with Rocky Barbanica looking for what's happening on the bleeding edge of technology and report that here.

353 thoughts on “No apps, no sale: iPad 2 vs. Motorola Xoom vs RIM Playbook vs HP TouchPad

  1. I came to this site to get an unbiased comparison of the iPad 2 vs. other tablets and all I got was an Apple fanboy kneeling at the temple of Jobs.

    The no apps no sale shtick is the stupidest argument you can make. That’s like saying don’t buy any new product because there aren’t many apps/movies/games for it.

    Google is developing Android at a fast rate and will surpass iOS quickly.

    Again, this is silly to not buy a Xoom because it doesn’t have apps…yet.

    1. OK is it silly not to buy a Xoom because 3 of the advertised bullet points are missing from the device that they released last week? Is it silly to buy a product that was advertised as having Flash but didn’t ship with it? Is it silly to buy a product that has an SD card slot but you cannot do anything with it because the software hasn’t been implemented yet? Is it silly to buy a product that was advertised as being 4G except that that hardware isn’t in it yet and it will take 6 working days (upwards of two weeks really) to send it back to the factory to have it installed sometime in the next 90 days when Motorola actually get their act together?

      If you are buying a Xoom what are you going to use it for in the short term? Browsing the internet? Watching YouTube?

      The Xoom is an unfinished device with little or no support. I am fifty and have had 25-30 years of empty promises from tech companies selling me stuff that is unfinished with the promise that if I wait a while it will be perfect. I am too old to be bothered to wait. I’d rather have a product that works as advertised from day one.

      So make your “Apple Fanboy” remarks as you wish but why don’t you take a step back and look at your defense of a product that is having it’s delivery date set by upper management while the technicians work their butts off trying to deliver a product in ridiculously unrealistic time frames.

      1. This is one of the best posts that I read all day long in various flamewars around the ‘net. You hit the nail on the head. I will quote you.

  2. You’re not taking into account how much some people are sick of Apple. They’ve done a lot right, but they’ve done a lot wrong too.

    Why did the iPod have to hide the files and change the filenames to become useless? What can this possibly achieve?
    Why do they insist of having in app subscriptions matching out of app subscriptions? (ie. their recent changes that are seemingly targeted at Amazon/Netflix/etc)
    Why did they change the ipod/iphone connector causing old accessories to not work on new devices?
    Why is iTunes still required?. We have infrastructure and tech for 100% over the air.
    Why no love for flash? I hate Flash, but I’m resigned to needing it occasionally
    Why can apps not duplicate functionality? I like choice.

    What’s next? I don’t know, and I don’t want to find out.

    I’m sticking with Android. I can deal with the lack of tablet apps. The browser works great. Youtube is great. The video (player) app is great. Maps is unbelievably awesome. My news is either the NYTimes app or the “The Australian” app or Google News in the browser. A squarespace app is the only missing one for me.

  3. Mr. Scobleizer

    I have read this whole tread & am honestly more confused than when I began reading. I am in the process of internationally launching my company. I want a tablet that I may create content during flights, will assist with my presentations & allow me to reach my customer whenever. I like the android phone because I have the option of the keyboard(when you are up for 24+, sometimes you just don’t want to tango). I am only interested in apps related to my business.

    Also in Europe, I change sim cards from country to country. The Apple people I spoke with told me to wait until the iPad2 came out, however the Verizon people said the zoom is more versatile.

    Are you saying that the xoom does not have wifi? Nor business(LinkedInFacebook,Outlook,Twitter,Excel, etc)apps?

    Thank you for your assistance.

    1. The XOOM does not have SIM cards. It works on Verizon in the US only.

      iPad works with any Bluetooth keyboard, or any USB keyboard if you purchase the optional USB adapter.

      XOOM does not have an Excel equivalent. On iPad, that is Numbers, it is $10.

      XOOM cannot be more versatile than iPad. XOOM has 16 apps, while iPad has 65,000.

      You should also consider MacBook Air 11 inch at $999.

  4. This is the most amusing thread I have read in ages! I just kept scrolling and scrolling. Scobleizer – thanks for taking the time to respond to such a wide variety of opinions. It adds to the experience greatly!

    This whole discussion is like listening to a friend say how stupid they find a particular commercial. If you don’t like it, it isn’t aimed at you. The fact that so many are blasting out acronyms that are unfamiliar to the average person on the street is telling.

    Shocking as it may be to those of us on here, most users of iPads think of Flash as something for a camera. The days of comparing speeds and feeds are long gone. As Robert said – Angry Birds and Facebook. I have looked through iPads of people I meet and most of it is games and media consumption – movies, music, tv.

    Apple has made the iPad a consumer appliance; a fashion accessory. Robert is just talking about what drives success in this area. Apple has simply made all of the ‘techie’ stuff disappear (as much as can be done so far). It’s been replaced with: Simplicity. Ease of Use. Sex Appeal.

    You can have your HDMI, your USB port, your 1 Gb Memory, your higher resolution. Go ahead. It doesn’t matter to the rest of the population. They’re reading “O” and updating their Facebook status.

  5. Once again another Apple idiot that has no clue. Over 95% of the tablets are going to be or are running on Honeycomb. So don’t you think that programmers are going to look at that. Get your head out of the ground and stop drinking the kool-aid.

    1. Bullshit. WHere do you get these ideas and predictions. NOT A SINGLE PERSON has predicted that Android will sell 95% of all tablets. You are smoking something good. Can you please share?

  6. Wow I just admire your stamina and persistence arguing with people who have no knowledge, have done no research, have no communication with people who are invested in these products screaming and trying to pass their incoherent, unproven and absolutely laughable arguments in these comments. Usually when people behave that way I just laugh, because by responding you are just dignifying their lame arguments. You do have a lot of patience and are a better man than me.

    As always usually a nice article from you.

  7. Can we apply your logic (or at least analogize it) to the Game Consoles?
    Was the Wii so much more successful than its competitors because of Release Date, Apps (Game CDs) or Cost?

      1. So lets say the TouchPad releases with 15000 optimized apps (they have the time and the resources to realistically pull that off). Will that be enough to keep it relevant? Your reply implies that Release Date and Price don’t matter and didn’t matter in the Console space.

  8. I bought my 3G iPad 64GB last May as soon as it was in the market and I simply love it. Now, got to go and spend another $972 on iPad 2, cause I wanted an iPad with camera. Me happy now and I have no doubt in my mind, next year we’ll be looking back and see how Xoom and the other iPad wanna bees fell behind iPad2.

  9. You have got to be kidding me. The IPad 2 is a sad let down now. Heres why:

    Xoom is like a Savings Bond. It matures with time.

    -1 month from now will IPad 2 have Flash? NO. Xoom will
    -2-3 months from now will IPad 2 have 4g? NO. Xoom will
    -4 months from now all the apps you will ever need will be available to Xoom.
    -A5 dual core at 1 Ghz? I can overclock the Xoom to 1.5 Ghz NOW

    Wait 6 days to upgrade from 3g to 4g? I think I can manage.. Especially if its for 4g. Oh wait.. Sorry IPad owners.

    So its case isn’t as “pretty” I dont care. Its not about looks. Its about how long my tablet will last me and if I need to buy a new a year from now or not. Since I stated all of the above. I most likely wont have to get the next generation Xoom. But If you want a better IPad or 4g. Continue waiting.

    I purchased the Xoom and since I bought it… It already is proving that it is only getting better.

    1. Hah.

      I’m gonna be even better. Why? I’ll put 4G where it’s supposed to be: on my phone. Then share that with my four iPads. How lame to buy service for a tablet when you ALWAYS have a phone in your pocket. Very lame dude.

      OK, Flash? Haven’t missed it. I’ve had an iPad for nine months. I guess you missed this app thing. All apps don’t need flash. There are more apps than you can play with in an evening.

      Overclocking? OK, got me there, although I’m sure some hacker will root it and figure it out. As it is the iPad 2 is a lot faster on text stuff than the Xoom is. More on that when I get one.

        1. Who the hell said I was supposed to be impartial? I’m supposed to tell you the truth. That’s all. And the truth is “no apps, no sale.”

    2. What will you do with 1.5 Ghz.. on shitty android.. without apps?
      I don’t want flash. Batery life matters more, and Ipad has 10 hrs NOW, Xoom will never have it. IPad is top notch and nicely built NOW, Xoom is shitty plastic.
      IPad is stable, fluid NOW, Xoom will never be like that.

  10. No tech expert here. But it’s really as simple as @Scobleizer had put it: no apps no sales.

    It’s like Gowalla’s UI is so much more cuter but Foursquare has 7 times the number of users.

  11. 1) No one gets to see the list of available apps before they buy, which is unfortunate.

    My guess is a high number (Maybe 50% or fewer, but still a high number) of smart phone and tablet owners have 10 or fewer apps. Apps are for largely for geeks and the young. Which is probably the main reason why Facebook was able to get away with not making a decent app for any device until just recently.

    For most it’s still all about the web, email, and video.

    2) Unless you a person who is buying because a friend recommends a certain device, the playing field is level. The reason why Apple has such a big lead is due to marketing and having the only device in the market. People (albiet mostly lower – middle income) were starting to buy smart phones instead of computers, and the iPad came out at just the right time to make some of those people realize that that was silly and the Ipad was the device they could use for that purpose.

  12. You know what? The iPad 2 is not even relevant to any of your points.

    The fact is that app counts on the weeks-old Honeycomb devices fall far short of those on the year-old iPad, and the other potential players haven’t reached the starting gate.

    Everything else is just prognostication. Might be right in due time, might be wrong. At least it’s been recorded.

  13. What? Opinions? How dare someone write based on opinions. I say we hunt the bastard down and ….

  14. Does the camera kit do Compact Flash which Pro level DSLRs use? I have only seen an SD card adapter which will not work.

    It would be unacceptable to transfer hundreds of 6mb jpeg’s, let alone 25mb RAW files across 3G. And how am I getting those files to the cloud in the first place? If I have to send via a laptop, why would I need the iPad? Even if files could make it from my camera onto the internet w/o a 2nd device, all indicators point to carriers nuking unlimited data let alone the time it would take especially on a 3G only device.

    A disappointing feature omission for me.

  15. The lack of specific Honeycomb applications is being seriously overplayed. Android apps designed properly work in Honeycomb without the 2x scaling Apple employed at the launch of iPad. Some of them look a bit squiffy, but a huge proportion of them work but are not tablet specific. The final SDK came out 4 days ago and already 30% of the apps I have on my phone have had updates that were there to conform with Honeycomb (some are placeholders that fix minor compatibility issues whilst new elements of the apps are developed to conform fully with the new menu system and fragments framework). The Android blog forums for owners of the Xoom are running along the lines of which apps don’t work, because listing those that do would take too damn long. Developers are just getting hold of devices and the final build SDK. Give it 2 months and the game is totally different.

    Don’t get me wrong, I totally believe that Motorola rushed the launch of the Xoom, probably more to get first mover advantage over the plethora of other Honeycomb devices due imminently rather tan the iPad2 launch. SD card not working until software update in a couple of weeks, Flash missing for 4-6 weeks (but we all know Adobe could miss a date) and the whole upgrade root to LTE. perhaps an early/mid April launch with all in place would have been better for them, but by then the Honeycomb world will not be so lonely. However, the comparisons of Xoom vs iPad2 knocking around the media are a little disingenuous, as they overlook the snowball effect of all the Honeycomb devices launching one after the next.

    Apple are brilliant at positioning their fan base and no one half reasonable, who prefers Android and other platforms, thinks for a minute they are in the game of persuading Apple fans to defect They are in the game of grabbing hold of a huge slice of a growing global market, across many form factors and price points. Obsession with market share doesn’t matter either. Android will grow a significant pressence and Apple will likely have sold more devices over the next year at the same or better margins than last year. Both platforms will be highly successful. Win Win. Flame wars are tiresome, particularly if you are passionate about the potential to use technology to effect positive change. Strong competition between these platforms over the next couple of years will massively accelerate the depths of that potential.

    1. Well, I’ve been playing with a lot of apps lately and the ones on the Xoom aren’t close to fit, finish, or design to those on iPad. Stretching out an app just isn’t the same as rethinking it from scratch. But you are right, Android probably will get there. We’ll see how well they do over the next months. But today? No apps, sorry. And that’s NOT inaccurate, either.

      1. Totally agree, but not all apps require full tablet customisation, implementing the Honeycomb Menu system etc will make many good to go. The fragments (I know, Google’s humour) roadmap looks to enable the development of applications which will be able to reuse elements between phone development and tablet development, which runs counter to some of the inference that phone and tablet development are separate entities. I am sure you are well aware of all of this already. The final SDK went live 4 days ago. As I stated above, Motorola, for whatever reason, jumped early. I am surprised given your passion for technology that you are not more excited by the inherent potential here, but each to their own.

    2. No, you are wrong about the mini apps being enough. One of the first things we learned after iPad shipped was how important full-size apps are. Even though there were about 200,000 mini-apps at the time, users overwhelmingly purchased only from the pool of 500 full-size apps, even when the full-size apps had fewer features. iPhone apps all install and run great on iPad. Nobody does it. It totally wastes the screen, which is the main feature of a tablet. Plus, you already have the mini-apps on a device in your pocket. There is just no attraction to running them on a tablet.

      People aren’t going to pay $800 for a Motorola XOOM to run scaled up versions of the apps from a free Android phone.

  16. that’s true and html5 is much more powerful and reliable then flash, the proof is in the numbers. Also, check out apples new javascript.

  17. This fanboi will be buying an iPad 2 a couple of weeks after they’re released. (I want to wait and see if I have to hold it a certain wait like the last iPhone before shelling out the $$$). That said, I hope Android steps up its game so that we’ll have some competition and Apple will make the iPad even better. A one horse race only benefits the horse.

  18. Robert, do you think for someone who has no use for FaceTime that a refurb from Apple $349 iPad1 is a better deal than the iPad2?

  19. I’d say they are fully employed at this point to build mobile apps. Will they turn those skills onto 10-inch tablet apps? We’ll see. I’m sure some of them will, which is why Android will take over spot #2. Spot #2 is important, because there’s room in the industry for two players. Is there room for more, though? Well, as we learned with Nokia, it gets a LOT tougher after you are kicked out of the top two spots.

  20. I’m on the Internet more than almost any person alive. Flash just isn’t that big a deal and most major sites now that any normal person cares about has an iPad app, which means Flash isn’t an issue. But, if you think it will sell that many things, let’s just wait and see. I predict Apple will sell 30 million iPads in next year. So far looks like Android might sell three million 10-inch tablets, if that.

  21. Hey Robert, do you have any evidence that apps drive sales? I don’t mean your own personal opinion (I already know that you really dig apps), or anecdotes from like-minded people. I mean scientific studies done by professional third-parties.

    1. Does living through the entire microcomputer revolution count for anything? Seeing this exact same drama in 1984? Nothing here is really new, Apple learned very very well from being on the “has no apps” side, for the Mac’s first 5-6 years.

  22. It all is pretty funny. Android does not have to dominate the tablet or handset market in order to succeed. Apple sure didn’t dominate the desktop, yet look at them now. Within a couple of years, Apple iOS will have iPods, iPhones, a few sizes of iPad, and maybe even two or three more form factors. Android will have hundreds of form factors. Each platform will excel in some realms, Apple probably by bigger margins, and Android probably in sheer numbers. Right now, in tablets, Apple is dominant. They may even stay that way. Good for Apple, yet not particularly bad for Android.

    Android will be in automobiles soon: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/geneva-motor-show-2011-saab-hooks-into-android-for-infotainment-system-2230298.html
    I’m sure it will be in DVRs and other set-top boxes, appliances, points-of-sale (iPad gets a few of those though) and more, all within a couple of years. And iOS will be on eight, maybe ten form factors.

    It doesn’t even resemble a “zero-sum” game. Even RIM and HP will not have to live-or-die by the tablet form factor alone.

    1. This is the best answer in the thread. When you are getting beat MOVE THE GOAL POSTS!!! :-)

      Very good strategy! Actually, if I were at one of these companies that’s EXACTLY what I would be trying to do now.

      1. You and I both know iOS and Android have really only used the same goal posts during the *handset* race.

        If I were a spokes-droid, I might even concede the tablet race … for now.

  23. Hi Robert,
    Lots of negativity towards iPad here so I just wanted to chime in with a positive note.
    I have an autistic son who benefitted hugely from the iPad and all the fantastic apps he is able to use to help him learn and interact in a way that suites him.
    It has help us so much in our daily lives.

    1. I think I’ll take my Android “Hello World” app and make it just say “NO”

      Oops! That could make Robert right all over again “Android has ‘NO’ apps!”

  24. If you look at different indicators, you should be able to tell that the Android market (both apps and phones) have had a tremendous surge in growth. It’s that exponential growth that analysts look for. Initially, the same silly argument that you make (no apps) was being done when Android came out with much lesser apps than iOS. Now both have a huge portfolio where the argument is moot. Have you not learned your lesson yet ?

    The Google market model is brilliant. If you don’t like their payment processor system, create your own. Now that won’t mean anything to small players. But big players like Amazon & gaming companies could do that and gain a bigger profit margin.

    People who keep talking fragmentation bring up another idiotic argument. If you look at CRT color TV’s for eg. the base CRT tech is the same. But everyone builds their own flavor. The same with IBM PC’s. A base that you can build on.

    The gap is closing constantly and Apple has already been surpassed in other areas. The only significant advantage they have is IMAGE. But there is certainly a growing movement of dissent with people regd Apple. The internet is rife with it. And that translates to sales too. For Apple’s competitors that is.

    Even if Honeycomb is buggy, it can be easily fixed with an update. It was imperative that they release their product on time. Every developer / business knows the importance of timing. We’ll see how things go in 6 months. Maybe scaling apps to Gingerbread might not be that big of a deal dependin on how Android implements it.

  25. So clueless. You should really study what effect Oprah has on consumer electronics sales. I love uninformed people. Go read AdAge or something and do your homework.

    1. “You should really study what effect Oprah has on consumer electronics sales.”

      how sad…..

  26. We know Robert, every advantage Android has is not important, every advantage iOS has is extremely important. We know, we’ve heard the song and dance before. You shouldn’t get so emotional about it though. It’s not helping your case. Anger is a sign of fear. But you have nothing to fear, no one’s going to take away your iPad.

    As for apps, Apple is intending to kick out apps that compete with the iTunes ecosystem in June, so let’s come back to the apps question after that.

    1. Heheh. Angry? I’m having fun fighting with you guys. One hand is tied behind my back and I’m watching TED while we do this.

      What you all don’t see is I’m just explaining to you what VCs and developers themselves have told me. Plus, I watch how people BUY these things. Go and watch at the local store someday. You might learn something.

  27. Here is all you Android morons need to know.

    Digitimes: Motorola To Ship 800,000 Xoom Tablets In Q1 2011

    Apple in the past quarter shipped 7.1 million as you would all say “not as good, crappier hardware, slower” iPads. Mhmmmmm wondering who is winning this race? Proof is in the pudding Droidions.

  28. Flash is not important. I haven’t heard one person who owns and iPad that has said that Flash was a deciding factor. And most of those are Windows users not Apple Fanboys/fangirls.

  29. Flash is not important. I haven’t heard one person who owns and iPad that has said that Flash was a deciding factor. And most of those are Windows users not Apple Fanboys/fangirls.

  30. Give honeycomb time, they will get aps. Especially once cheaper honeycomb products hit the market.

  31. Technically, you’re right. Android in fact has been designed in a way, that makes it more easy to build fluid UIs, than iOS.

    However, it’s not about technology. When you take a user interface from a tiny screen to a large screen, you almost always have to rethink your interaction models. In many cases, you might need to create a whole new interface for the larger screen.

    In fact, Apple explicitly encourages this in its guides.

    And that is another problem which I see coming up on the Android platform: With Android’s pretty simple (but technologically sophisticated) way of allowing devs to layout dynamic UIs, I see lots of apps that originally have been created for small screens being large-screen-enabled in an extremely quick and dirty way.

    This will lead to a flood of “Android Tablet” apps, that are merely dirty hacks of existing “Android Smartphone” apps. This will very likely not make any average user happy.

  32. I am at USVP, one of the largest VCs in the world. I asked them “Are you investing in Android Tablet app companies?” “No.” is the answer. Biased? No. I’ve been doing this for decades. Use cases and apps are gonna rule this category this year and I’ll bet on it.

      1. OK, go anywhere. Y Combinator? Mostly invests in iPad companies, when they go with tablets. Kleiner Perkins? They have an iFund, not an “AFund.” Shall I go on? Investors don’t yet know who will end up selling enough devices to support an industry, with HP/RIM/Google going at it for second place.

        1. Means Y combinator as a small problem if the iPad get overtaken like the iPhone did by android phone … who could get overtaken by the next big thing …

          KPCB is APPLE is The iPad ..

          Sure do go on , your localizing US based investors , You got the Android investor list ?

          Real Investors usually take long bets , if your device get’s suppport from Google ( obvious but still not really taken into account I suppose ) , Facebook , Twitter, Foursquare , etc … usually have a chance to reach 50 million user’s. Android already do.

          Apple used to be number 15 about 5 years ago , they are still number 3 , except for Iphone , in tablet you would be surprised who’s name rank the highest aint the iPad, but with lowering price and the V1 still beeing offered we mights see more iPad.

          Two things you missed :

          http://www2.oanow.com/news/2011/mar/02/apples-jobs-breaks-medical-leave-unveil-ipad-2-ar-1529421/

          http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/03/01/apples-top-brit-designer-at-loggerheads-over-return-to-uk/

          http://www.trustedreviews.com/editorial/2011/03/02/Why-Apple-Needs-Jonathan-Ive-More-Than-Steve-Jobs/p1

          You know who else as been seen as second for decades HP …

          As long as your a top 5 you make billions …

  33. 100% agree with Robert. Admittedly, I am an Apple fanboy – not a blind follower, but a fan. Why? Because there’s hardly any company out there, which understands the business of building platforms (hardware-to-software-to-developers) better.

    Besides this, I’m running one of Germany’s largest development shops for Enterprise smartphone and tablet apps.

    And there is a simple fact: We are not going to build anything for Honeycomb anytime soon for a couple of reasons:

    1.) The total number of Honeycomb units shipped is not appealing at all. Of course, this might change. And we might revisit. In 1-3 years.

    2.) The Android Market is seriously flawed (usability, discoverability) and hence doesn’t make enough money worth our upfront invest.

    3.) The total amount of iOS devices out there, is an absolutely attractive market that will likely feed us for years to come.

    4.) We are not happy with Google’s closed Android ecosystem. Yes, the source code for some parts of Android is available. But as soon as you want to ship Gmail and the Android Market on your device, you have to deal with Google. We don’t consider this open. It’s pretending. Worse than admitting that you believe in closed and consequently execute on your strategy (what Apple does).

    The point here is: Why should any average consumer go for a tablet that is

    a) more expensive
    b) has less battery life
    c) has almost no apps, so you can hardly do anything other with it, than surfing the web
    d) doesn’t ring any brand related bell

    when at the same time there is

    a) the well-known iPad, the one, that among consumers is widely synonymous with “tablet”
    b) that is cheaper
    c) has a great form factor and
    d) an entire universe of primarily mega-cool apps

    I haven’t seen any answer, yet.

  34. It sounds to me like Mr. Scobie isn’t open to any ideas that don’t revolve around Apple being the one true god. Everything else, he just gets angry at you because you don’t understand his religion. Get real.

  35. The Android kids are amusing as usual. The Xoom is overpriced, poorly made with a terrible screen and Motorola service and support. Plus no apps. Enjoy.
    Btw the reason there are no apps is that developers aren’t seeing a way to make money on Android. Thats not going to go away. In fact Google has been reduced to paying developers to write apps just like Microsoft with Windows Phone 7. Pathetic.
    You would have to be an idiot to buy Xoom over an iPad 2.
    Motorola should have just called it a Zune because its going in the same direction.

  36. You must have missed that I was at the launch of HP’s TouchPad. One of HP’s VP lives a block from me. I love what they are doing, but they have no apps. Plus they aren’t shipping. Two knocks. When they solve both I’ll let you know!

    1. the xoom is just dogfood, to give out/away to developers like the G1, if they can sell a few so much the better, you need to look at the software, the hardware will be here in 3-6 months…

          1. I am a fanboy. I knew that. Ergo: You are wrong. Why are you so committed to believing people who disagree with you are unthinking lemmings?

  37. As a current iPad “enthusiast” (in quotes because it’s a love/hate relationship for me), I was disillusioned with the feature set of the v2 – or more properly, what they could’ve/should’ve added with the opportunity to really dominate the space for a very good long time. Unfortunately, Apple’s strategy is always the same (and I can’t blame them, it makes them rich) – launch a new product, OS, or app, or updated versions of the same about once per year, but never make them wholly what they could be – keeps the sobs like me constantly upgrading. It’s happened to me with iPhones, iPods, Leopard, Mac Pro, and most recently MacBook Pro last week. Not this time however. I’ll muddle along with my slow, crashy, featureless (yet FUN) first gen iPad until a similar tablet computing platform appears that is truly useful as well as FUN.
    So… v2 – faster more capable processor (less of the annoying crashes one would assume, cameras, HD Video, lighter, thinner all FUN. More utilitarian would have meant – a true USB port, more than just for transferring files, but for attaching anything from cameras to external storage. Which brings us to memory – how hard would it have been to put in a SDHC card slot? With only those 2 minor additions I could have seen iPad finally replacing my laptop on business trips. But again, I suppose that is exactly the point – how many expensive MacBooks would Apple sell then?

  38. I bought the Xoom last week and I was excited when I got it, but after hearing about all the apps that are functional and the fact that the Xoom has such a small amount that actually are created for the machine; and the fact that the Flash is not even out yet anyways and LTE upgrade issues haven’t been addressed, I am taking mine back to Bestbuy and will be getting my first IPAD 2 (first of either really).

  39. That is a fallacy that has been studied to death in consumer behavior. Too much choice can be a definite inhibitor to product purchase.

    In the case of Android, a lot of that “choice” isn’t even relevant to the average consumer, age notwithstanding.

    1. OK, how will people buy one of these things?

      1. Their friends will show them Angry Birds on it. Then Flipboard. Then NPR. Then Netflix. Then a few other apps. Sold!

      2. They will see some celebrity showing it off. Millions were sold after Oprah told her audience “this is my favorite thing ever.” Ever. Ever. Ever. Think about what that did!

      EIther way, they will head into a store and maybe look at the others, but they will ask “does this have the Oprah app?” in the second case. No. No sale.

      In the first case, their friends probably will bring them in the store and show them the different apps. No sale either.

      Tell me, how will someone buy an Android device? Or an HP one? Or a RIM one? Explain what DRIVES someone into the store to buy one?

      1. You got me. From what I’ve seen, most Android users seem to be anti-Apple, or they start spewing some froth about being “open” or not having “walled gardens”.

        What I wonder is why HP doesn’t get back in a partnership with Apple to sell iPads. Seems like that would be a shoe-in in the Enterprise sector. Of course, Apple really doesn’t need HP anymore. I’m not even sure why the HP/Apple partnership fell apart in the first place.

        1. HP wants to be in charge of its own destiny. We’ll see how that works out long term. They need to show the world how they are going to get apps, too. I like their hardware design and OS but no apps no sale.

        2. I love Apple but hate iTunes. Always have since they bought SoundJam and messed up the UI for Mac OS X bit by horrible bit.

          For me, the iPhone and iPad have some great points, but they do not cure my loathing of iTunes. I have a Mac and have never bought an app from the Mac App store. Reminds me too much of iTunes.

  40. OK, Steve Jobs says there’s 100 apps for “the competitors.” Find me a list. Go ahead. I’ll wait. I’m sure there is a good list somewhere, right?

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